A new Yahoo/YouGov survey finds that about twice as many U.S. adults say they would vote for a candidate with Mamdani’s platform (50%) than say they would not (26%). Could it be a blueprint for Democrats elsewhere?

  • Em Adespoton@lemmy.ca
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    6 days ago

    Or… they just completely ignore it?

    If you’re going to be labeled a socialist and commie sympathizer no matter what you do, why not just run on your platform and brush off the accusations as political hubris?

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      6 days ago

      As far as my decision-making on that would go, I think it would depend on if the actual electorate is believing that mischaracterization, and if I have access to actually respond directly to those people or not.

      In a debate for instance, I’d aim to hand-wave that away in dismissal but then pivot and say, "let’s talk about what I really envision for our country and you can tell me if that sounds good to you…[explains]… And so for these great things, you’ll probably end up asking, “but how will we pay for it? [explains ROI, our excess costs now, the amount of wealth of the billionaire class and corporate coffers, etc.]”

      If after that the debate moderator or opponent continues to push hard on, “but are you a socialist. Are you a communist!?” I’d take that as an invitation to say explain the differences and how the happiest countries of the world are properly mixed economies between the spectrum of socialism to laissez-faire capitalism.

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        6 days ago

        So, your plan is to waste debate time and call yourself a Socialist.

        Why not do something like say “This is what Ike backed back when he was President. Are you calling Ike a Communist?”

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          5 days ago

          So, your plan is to waste debate time and call yourself a Socialist.

          No. That is a mischaracterization and oversimplification of what I wrote (like how did you get that from my second paragraph?). I’m already going to be called a socialist; and until the word and others like it are unpacked, they will always be used to fearmonger. Best to address it head-on and take away the power to demonize. I mean just see how many times Mamdani was asked about it during his latest interviews, including with NPR. You have to confront it because it’s a curiosity with the unknown for so many people.

          At its core, you must rewire the literal circuitry of people’s brains to link policies -> socialism, or better yet, Nordic model. But if you don’t strongly link these policies to a ideological package, people will feel adrift. It’s why political parties are so attractive. People like pigeon-holing things. Granted, I would also say that I am not a socialist, but a social democrat and strong advocate of a mixed Nordic Model economy— which itself is overwhelmingly more palatable for swing-voters, and even some Trump supporters I’ve talked with.

          Why not do something like say “This is what Ike backed back when he was President. Are you calling Ike a Communist?”

          I’m open to saying that; but neither is that mutually-exclusive to what I intended to say. And if it was Trump I’m debating, he probably would say “yes, that Ike was a communist” or “no Ike couldn’t be a commie, he was a Republican!” And then ramble on incoherently about cats & dogs.

          No doubt, you need quick-witted quips back in debates that go on the attack, I agree. In fairness my response is probably better suited for a town hall or interview.

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            5 days ago

            And you think your opponents won’t mischaracterize you?

            Leave the ivory tower and look at the real world.

            Politics is a dirty game at the best of times. People lie, steal, cheat, and connive on a daily basis.

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              5 days ago

              lol no fucking shit? This is a meta-discussion. I didn’t know I was talking to a Trump supporter. Thought we could discuss like adults, but clearly not.

              Is that real world enough for you?

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                    5 days ago

                    Oh, lenny, you’re so funny.

                    You claim that in a debate you’d be a tireless fighter in a debate, but one question from me has you running out the door. Thank goodness there are real Socialists out there who we can rely on. Farewell, little keyboard warrior. And I promise not to reply, so you can have the last word and a big win!