• PugJesus@lemmy.worldOP
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    Meanwhile, the actual results of ceding the government to fascists is… increasingly right-wing leanings in the general population

    Waoh but no, if we can just SHOW those damn SHITLIBS that they’ll never win, the inner socialist heart of The People will perk up and we’ll lead the masses singing the Internationale straight to DC. That’s how Popular Support works!

    Fuck all that loser groundwork shit, that’s boring and doesn’t make us feel very revolutionary, while STICKING IT to THE MAN makes us feel fantastic as millions of disadvantaged folk are marked for death.

    Voting may not fix the country, but not voting can sure as fuck make it worse.

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      Meanwhile, I’m here saying “both”.

      Do both.

      Actually go help your neighbor in person. Directly. Personally. Help your fucking neighbor.

      If you want Lefties excited to go vote, give us something to vote for instead of against where the Centrist Libs concede to the Fash every god damn time.

      What are your thoughts on Zohran Mamdani? Give me candidates like that, and I’ll bring 20 non-voters to the polls, and each will cast a ballot.

      Give me another Clinton, another Cuomo, another Biden? Sorry, when I vote I vote alone. And I’m holding my nose the whole damn way.

      Which way, Western Man? Grow the voter base, grow the party? or grow the campaign warchest from donors that want both sides indebted to their lobbyists?

      How we vote in the Primary is how we can get money out of politics.

      In the meantime, have you made a sandwich to give away to a stranger?

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        How we vote in the Primary is how we can get money out of politics.

        God, I just want to crush the neoliberals, to hear the lamentations of their political commentators, to see their empty suits driven before me, on ONE fucking primary before I die.

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          This is a hilarious and I relate, but it doesn’t actually help us. Or anyone. One sandwich to a homeless man? Is more actual benefit to the world than saying this.

          Unless you go and start a conversation with a Red-hatter this way. Get them riled up and cheering for how you HATE the same people they do, and use it to glean some motivation deeper than “owning the libs.”

          Then you can maybe, just maybe talk to a voter about how society has left them behind too. From experience, they have the same concerns, fears, pressures as what drives people to the Left, its just been twisted by gaslighting propaganda about who we are. Before I could bring this red-hatter to a pride parade, they need a LOT of therapy. But for many there is realistic hope.

          You still haven’t commented on Mamdani, and that disappoints me.

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            This is a hilarious and I relate, but it doesn’t actually help us. Or anyone.

            I… wasn’t trying to help anyone by saying it? Other than venting for my own benefit?

            Unless you go and start a conversation with a Red-hatter this way. Get them riled up and cheering for how you HATE the same people they do, and use it to glean some motivation deeper than “owning the libs.”

            Bruh. I lived in a deeply conservative area for most of my life. My social circles were deeply conservative, and I feigned being ‘apolitical’ to avoid having to go nuclear at a time when my living position was precarious.

            Thinking that there’s a commonality of dislike there is falling for the extremely thin mask they put on whenever some liberal gives them pushback. It’s not real. They immediately drop the mask when around people they think are similar to them.

            The people they hate aren’t ‘the elite’ as you or I would recognize them. The people they hate aren’t ‘politicians’ as you or I would recognize them. They have deeper motivations than ‘owning the libs’, but not more wholesome ones, I assure you. Being a metaphorical bump-on-a-log who isn’t suspected of liberalism lets you hear some gruesome truths about the principles of conservatives.

            You still haven’t commented on Mamdani, and that disappoints me.

            … fucking what? I’ve commented numerous times on Mamdani??

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      Democracy only works in combination with education. We are currently missing the latter so the best things you can do in the long run is educate everything else will only change things temporarily but makes them worse over time.

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      What is groundwork? I haven’t heard this term before. Is it things like protesting and voting? Propagnda? Having conversations with everyday people? Or are those something else?