Brazilian “patriots” bow to USA demands, so they’re also dumb
fuck either of them.
no loyalty to any state.
The only good fascist is a dead fascist
Nationalism has become such a no go that nationalists will call themselves patriots but it’s just a euphemism for the first
Always has been.
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If your whole identity is based on the fact you where born at some location on this planet, you really need some self reflection and deprogramming
I was within these borders while I crawled out of a vagina. it’s one of my greatest achievements and I’ll base my personality on that
For all the neo-nazis and nazis out there: Nazism is short for National SOCIALISM. As we all know, SOCIALISM is the big bad precursor of COMMUNISM!
Don’t be a SOCIALIST by being a (Neo-)Nazi or their quiet supporter!
Needs the sarcasm tag.
Usually I place it, but I thought it was obvious
This is a premier example why we need to stop using those terms altogether.
Yes, history is cyclic, but we ought to give more credit to the zeitgeist we face today.
Never in our history have we seen such an efficient conglomeration of religion, supremecy, and hate groups working in unison.
They deserve new, fresh words. Something catchy to yell, as we throw molotovs at them…
Office meme, they’re the same picture. The world no longer needs people who are willing to die for, or equally kill for, their country
Yes, but climate change, water wars and possibly a fundamental change to world order are likely. One might not get a choice, if they prefer to continue living in freedom and peace.
Doesn’t mean we need patriots though.
Yes if you can convince everyone in the world of this simultaneously, we’ll end all wars.
Do you think Vladimir Putin will agree with your sentiment?
Both are tribalism of different levels of intensity. Our brains are predisposed for us-them mentality, some stronger than others, some can leave it behind others never will. It’s also the most exploitable feeling in the history of our species, with fear may be the close contender.
Obviously a government embracing tribalism leads to horrid shit (everyone without an armband knows it) BUT ignoring it completely allows something else snake its way into that void. If you’re lucky its something vegetarian like football hooliganism, if you-re not – pan-nationalism, religious zealotry, whatever the 4chan incel shit is, people who can’t or won’t leave tribal mentality will find a dirt to roll in.
IMHO it is worth considering implementing a civic religion a-la french republicanism. Yes it can be a gateway to nationalism, but it also lets tribal minded people wave their flags and “guard the civic values” or whatever while the rest of us continue our lives in peace. As a bonus it improves civic participation and if you’re attacked – well there’s already something for you to rally around.
Americans act like the two are separate things so they can continue to be brainwashed into being good little America #1 oorah’s.
Grow up, be proud of your own achievements, hard-work, and yourself not a fucking nation state like a little proto-fash.
Mate, I live in europe and patriotism is here, the hell you smokin?
I didn’t say there wasn’t patriotism in Europe. I said trying to paint the two as separate things is the Seppo take.
Your point on the fact you didn’t say it didn’t exist. But these are two separate things even in Europe.
It’s the same picture
I will add that ethnicity, religious identification or lack thereof, or nationality doesn’t exempt anyone. USA and Christianity aren’t the first, only, or last to reinvent and suppress the parts of history we don’t like, but we’re certainly going full throttle, along with some other states and religions.
For the people that want to learn from history I can heartily recommend a book: readsettlers.org
Patriotism is the little sibling of nationalism, and the boundaries are fluid. I will never understand why people are proud of other people’s accomplishments and make them their own. Or is it because people were shat on somewhere else in the world than everyone else? Makes absolutely no sense.
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“Or is it because people were shat on somewhere else in the world than everyone else?”
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A long time ago I read some post that stuck with me.
It said that some people love their country the way a child loves their parent. They’re perfect and smart and strong and can beat up your parent. They don’t have any flaws, and can do no wrong. They’re the best ever.
Other people love their country the way an adult loves a peer. They see the potential, the good, but also the flaws. They want what’s best for both of them, even if it’s uncomfortable and difficult. And ultimately, if the relationship becomes abusive, they won’t just take it.
Conservatives often are the first one, but I think they are generally more immature. Fearful, tribal, angry.
Loving your country in the second way can be okay, I think. It can be a vehicle for improvement. People have wanted to improve their living spaces and communities for longer than we’ve had recorded history. It doesn’t have to be toxic or zero-sum.
I wonder what you would define “country” as. If you want to say, “love thy neighbor” then I get you. But if you’re saying “love your government” then it doesn’t really make much sense. You’re not supposed to love the government, that’s not the point of it, that’s not what it’s here for.
And ultimately, if the relationship becomes abusive, they won’t just take it.
That’s where the analogy fails for me. You can’t leave a state unless you enter a new state, a new abusive relationship.
People have wanted to improve their living spaces and communities for longer than we’ve had recorded history.
I get when people are proud of their city or ethnicity or dialect group or religion or football club or what ever. There have always been imagined communities (communities where you don’t know everyone but feel connected due to a shared identity) and that’s what modern nation stated exploit. They creat a shared identity by lumping everything together, diminishing local differences to creat an artificial imagined community based on forced commonalities and destroy the plurality and diversity “home” could be.
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