How many fakes are in the crowd manipulating the situation for the oppositions political gain?
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+to+spot+an+agent+provacateur+at+a+protest&t=fpas&ia=web
Lots of great results so I didn’t pick just one but this helps, too.
Yup. And it’s always these guy who are agitating for violence and “burning shiat down” and nobody can remember who this guy is or exactly when he joined the group.
They’re called, “agents provocateurs” (google them. They’re nothing new). They are government plants whose job is to start shit in peaceful protests to give the government an excuse to crack down violently.
They will provoke innocent people to become criminals. Remember their job is a business too. They play the game for money like gangsters.
As an overt resistor, my uniform (with ID) and an emblem, a sparrow of hope for a better tomorrow.
Would love to have an official sparrow of hope symbol for morale patches and car decals.
That video of Bernie put a tear in my eye. I thought “God chose Bernie on this day”.
I don’t even identify as a Christian.Same. Dude just radiates goodness and genuine character. I hope that I have a bit of his guts.
Yeah, this is fucking depressing. Anyone wanna fight about Linux distros?
Not much of a fight when I use ARCH
Me too, btw.
Linux Mint Master Race, reporting.
It just werks.
Biebian or Hannah Montana Linux
TempleOS
Biebien and Hannah Montana Linux are affronts to god, whereas TempleOS is a tribute.
Do either of you two know how to get to that bird game in TempleOS?
Ill do you one better. Windows is superior to Linux! (N.b. this comment is strictly to cause a ruckus)
Agents provocateurs spotted! The top comment guy was right all along!
;)
Pfff, Amiga OS rules. (nb never used it, but but you asked for ruckus.)
I appreciate your contribution to said ruckus
Naaaaaw. Commodore 64 all the way. KCman is still the shit
I use ARCH btw
Doesn’t trump lose horribly every time he goes after CA?
He’d have better luck waiting for something to go down in the Midwest, but yeah, w/e good luck.
Especially in a town known for its history of riots. LA is ready to kick some nazi ass at a moments notice.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Ocean_Resort_Baja_Mexico
He fucked up every investor by around $200,000.0 each. Lots of love for this guy to go around. Somehow he keeps buying into higher and higher places. Purchasing the seat of the US presidency may not be the end…China has a heck of a lot of people to fuck with!
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There is no challenging the military as the citizenry. This is terrible advice.
What we should be doing is encouraging insubordination by service members. Why the fuck would you agree to use military force against your fellow Americans, on American soil? Not only is that unconstitutional, it’s simply not what you signed up for. Say no
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Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and most of South America would disagree with you.
Anyway. GovCo can’t win anyway. Not even in open hot war. They don’t have the numbers.
Military and Natl Guard combined are less than 3,000,000 people. And that includes the logistics that makes it all work. They couldn’t handle Afghanistan and its <50,000,000 people.
You overestimate how willing people are to throw their bodies at the problem. Things have to be so bad that they expect to die anyway. Otherwise, your militia sign-ups will be limited to only those most brave, ideological, or stupid.
You also underestimate how much more effective military training and ordinances are among the US military vs militias. If they really wanted to mow down civilians, it would be fish in a barrel, even if everyone in the militia is armed.
This is why the hope is that US service men are committed to the constitution and not to Drumpf’s orders. It’s a thin hope.
They’re committed to the paycheck. Don’t be naive. Do you think American soldiers are uniquely unable to carry out atrocities? That sweet salty buttery baby jesus is gonna reach down, touch their hearts and make them defy orders? I’ll refer you to uh, the last 25 years of action in the middle east.
This empire is dying live on TV. And all of them so far have ended bloody. We won’t be the exception.
I did say it was a thin hope (well I said ‘thing’ but I’ve corrected it now).
But I think you give your service men too little credit. Even the police. How many fatalities or even serious injuries have actually occurred during protest activities? These a generally not people who want to kill anyone, particularly not their American brothers and sisters. But when one side dehumanizes the other, all bets are off. If things actually become life threatening, then everything changes. Kill or be killed.
I’m happy to be surprised. But I have set my expectations appropriately low.
I expect some inciting event over the summer. Someone gets killed by the feds and those protests really do turn into real riots. Then the clown prince will escalate. Open war by Christmas.
Like I said. I’m happy to be proven wrong. I would be delighted to be proven wrong. Maybe we’ll luck out and he’ll have a stroke mid ramble or maybe some general will shoot the bastard during his military parade. But I don’t think we’re that lucky.
Another possible is a general strike. That Union leader they black bagged earlier this week. He hasn’t been released yet. If they try to deport him on some trumped up bullshit that’s gonna have an apocalyptic backlash from basically every union except the police union.
Most states have a token State Guard that answers only to their governor, not the federal government. If Trump keeps this shit up, states are going to start disbanding their National Guard units, and shifting them into State control.
Except Trunp federalized the California state force, bypassing Newsome, that’s a pretty big problem. Newsome is suing Trunp. In the meantime - violence on citizens by cops and Trunp-allied forces continues.
Except Trunp federalized the California state force
No, he did not. He federalized the California National guard. The State Guard is a lesser-known organization that answers solely to the Governor. They cannot be federalized. Which is why we’re probably going to be seeing states putting more of their resources into their State Guards and less into their National Guard units.
As for the CA National Guard: Article I, Section 8, Clause 16. The State retains the sole authority to appoint the officers of the Militia.
10 USC 246. The National Guard is the Militia.
Newsom has the authority to appoint the officers of the National Guard. Revoking the appointments of the Commissioned and Non-Commissioned officers of the California National Guard, he effectively disbands the organization.
Trump has no authority to override Newsom’s authority here.
There is no challenging the military as the citizenry
Says someone from the nation that mainly loses military conflicts with the citizenry…
Where do you think I’m from?
Based on your statement referencing the constitution I would say the states, but if I am mistaken then I apologize.
Gavin Newson specifically said that he did not ask for or need the 2,000 troops and that sending to LA would only make things worse.
Sooo, there’s that.
Legally I believe the National Guard must be mobilized for a legal reason and until Trump has identified an actual cause, he cannot mobilize them himself. So Newson should just order them to stand down.
Newson hasn’t done that though.
“oh, Trump wouldn’t do that, it’s illegal”
Phew, what a relief!
Also, when Trump does illegal stuff, people tend to allow it and obey him. If they try to shut him down using the legal system, he goes ahead and does it anyway.
I kind of just roll my eyes when someone says, “Aha, it’s illegal! He can’t do that!” We don’t really live in that world anymore.
My emphasis was more on Newsom not ordering them to stand down. They’re under his command until a legal order from the POTUS supercedes his command.
Well that’d a terrble idea that will result in many deaths just like all the other times
Distraction or not, Trump is a coward who thinks deploying soldiers at a protest will make him look tough. It doesn’t. It makes him look scared and pathetic.
Of all the things you could rightly criticize as cowardly actions, brazenly deploying a military force against a civilian population, is not among them.
Deploying it in Ukraine against Russia, or in Gaza against Israel would be brave.
Deploying it against his own civilians is cowardly.
Really? I’d consider that peak cowardice.
It’s because he is. Him and most of his cronies are at a point where if they do not maintain power until they die, they may face extreme consequences.
The good thing is I guess they know that. The bad thing is, when it’s that or maintain power, what lengths will they go to?
Funny how he doesn’t hesitate here, but when Congress was literally in danger of being fucking lynched on Jan 6, he didn’t do shit.
Only because Republicans despise California and Californians with all of their being.
Like there’s no article of the Constitution giving right of protest.
But you dont understand one protestor littered , meaning that it is now an illegal gathering and that the thousands of people gathered are a violent mob.
Very convenient
Having seen a couple of vids from folks on the ground it seemed akin to a proper French riot. Folks lobbing bricks, makeshift barricades, vehicles burning etc.
Yeah folks may feel justified an upset but it isn’t exactly surprising when authorities crack down to restore order in such a situation.
It all depends on who started being violent first…
How do you mean? Most authoritarian regimes are maintained with fear and violence. Even in democratic states that don’t primarily rule through fear the government generally has a monopoly on using violence to enforce the law.
Restore order? Those who caused disorder cannot “restore order” by causing more disorder.
Sure they can, that’s called a revolution - in that case those who caused the disorder get called “heroes” and “freedom fighters”.
If they get smushed by the current authorities coming back in force, then they get written into the history books as “criminals”, “rebels” or “insurrectionists”.
Winner writes history and all that.
People don’t just instantly forget the moment after an event ends, especially now.
The point I was making, is that bringing in cops and the national guard to beat protesters does not restore order to a crisis caused by ICE kidnapping people. It is an escalation that will very likely be matched if CA hasn’t totally forgotten their past. Which they haven’t.
Read up on the '92 LA riots. Do you think US authorities are willing to use more, or less force today than then? Do you think LA civilians today have a larger, or lesser capacity for violence?
Thankfully I don’t think US authorities are anywhere close to PRC or Russia levels of force usage against civilians, but I would bet on the badges coming out on top if it came to a chicken race. That’s not to say it wouldn’t get ugly.
What you’re not understanding is that quashing a protest with force doesn’t make the anger just go away.
Thankfully I don’t think US authorities are anywhere close to PRC or Russia levels of force
The US is only trying to end Habeas Corpus, cracking down on free speech, personal and social freedoms, deploying military units in the streets, planting secret police in protests, and is currently kidnapping, disappearing, and sending people to foreign labor camps without trial while wearing masks and not giving any identifiable information… All while supporting and funding an ongoing internationally-recognized genocide.
Maybe you should be doing the reading…
There’s also a part that says freedom of speech, right to a fair trial, freedom from unreasonable search & seizures, right to asylum…
How’s that going?
Repeat after me: A government that is bluntly sending weapon to bomb kids have no concern of it is own citizen.
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.
And so it begins.
yup. next stop: martial law.
Probably the most likely scenario - do ppl remember during COVID & BLM how parts of Portland were reclaimed for a time? There were lots of spontaneous mini-riots all over the place but Trump didn’t declare martial law. Will he this time? Will these protests spread? Is Trump gonna way over react this early, setting off more and more protests?? Is this the start?
This isn’t overreaction but planned reaction. Martial law has been the goal since before day 1 of 2.0.0
Yeah :/ if he declares marital law - then what. JFC
I’m afraid he’ll declare martial law. What happens if he does?
There would probably be no consequences for him, but the “martial law” would probably be ignored and not happen.
As I understand it, in the US, martial law can only legally happen if the courts are unable to function. Basically, if things are so bad courts are unable to judge people, you let the military judge them.
The law hasn’t mattered so far. It is illegal for him to deploy the National Guard without the governor’s consent, which was not given. Not only was it now given, but Trump went out of his way to denounce the governor while illegally deploying the National Guard.
The US is no longer operating within the constitution, it is operating under the appearance of one, an appearance that falls apart the closer you look at it.
What you say and what I say don’t contradict. ICE is already acting as if martial law was declared, ignoring due process/habeas corpus. If Trump declared martial law, those that still follow laws, constitution and the courts would keep doing so and those that follow Trumps orders above all would also keep doing so. There would be no substantial change.
We all know what it takes to remove fascists from power
Zero consequences, as usual.
I’m not actually surprised that the second american civil war starts in California. Cali always seemed like the most progressive state.
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East Coast Beast Coast baby. Bad things happen in Philly don’t come around
You guys do love hammerin’ shit. Never change, Philly.
Throw batteries at ICE
Send Gritty in against them
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Ah dude, shut the fuck up.
I love Massachusetts too, but you’re very wrong about Californians.
Ah yes, those lazy Californian fake progressives, so fake and lazy to fight in the streets. Unlike those ultra poor in Massachusetts doing nothing to show how progressive they are.
This is nothing really. If people wanted war they would have strategy. It’s just pissed off people, not people with a plan.
Watching the riot over the past few hours it looks like it’s just bored people with mob mentality.
What do you think the people’s response should be to being black-bagged off the streets by people who don’t have badges, don’t wear uniforms, drive in unmarked vehicles and wear masks?
This hasn’t even begun to get nasty, yet.
I mean, strategy forms as you test the waters and see what response you get. The infancies of rebellions often aren’t the most strategic.
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Progressive as in Pride-themed anti-homeless boulder
Reminds me of Victoria BC in Canada, whole place feels like a liberal nightmare. The place is run and populated by champagne liberals who step over homeless addicts on their way to their micro breweries so they can congratulate each other on how progressive they are.
Here we go, is this what they have been waiting for?
Yes. Trump desperately wants to enact martial law. He wants power and will do anything to get it.
2000 Guardsmen. For a city of 3 million. And a governor who doesn’t want them there. Sure. Good luck with that.
They’ve been salivating for an opportunity like this. I bet they thought it would have happened already
Hope they like bullets to the head.
