Even if they’re not a right-winger and don’t claim to be a centrist, "both-sides"ing things is a waste of time, at best.
Like, when Jon Stewart came back to the Daily Show. I think it was his first show back, but it might have been his second… And his main talking point was about how both Biden and Trump were old. I know he’s just a comedian on a comedy show, but it still felt like a betrayal. At the very best, it was a waste of a chance to say something that could have actually made a difference.
He pointed out that they are the oldest candidates ever to run, beating the previous record of…the same two old white guys 4 years prior. Seemed pretty germane to mention that we have a serious lack of younger and diverse representation
I agree 100% with everything you said. Just like you said, it was a good point and definitely worth a mention. My problem is that it was the main segment of his first show back. Just like I said, a waste of time when there were much more important things to talk about.
I like Jon, but TDS has done more harm than good for the left.
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It just normalized the Republican CRIMINAL behaviour by making fun of it and laughing, like it was no big deal
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It made an entire generation complacent becuase people though watching TDS and jucking along was actually doing fuck all to actually fight Republicans or help Democrats.
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And finally, like you said they’d frequently have both sides segments that the right loved to echo on their propaganda networks
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I mean, they are both old, I don’t think that’s a perspective that should be discounted. That’s not a discussion on policy or who one should vote for as much as it is the understandable concern about whether either of them would still be alive for their entire second term.
As long as you’re amoral and self-serving, you can only be a “right winger”, whatever that means. It’s only when you dispel the myth of moral relativism and believe that, yeah, some things ARE wrong (and we should avoid and condemn them, of course), that you can start becoming a person worth existing and worth listening to. And if you’re not very smart nor very brave you might be a “non radical” “leftist” but hey, your heart is probably in the right place so I’m not gonna hate (too much).
It’s only when you dispel the myth of moral relativism and believe that, yeah, some things ARE wrong (and we should avoid and condemn them, of course)
You can be a moral relativist without equating someone else’s view of morality to your own. Or rather, while still only valuing your own.
I’d rather have a politician who does absolutely nothing than a fascist.
On the other hand, the kneejerk of labeling every even remotely centrist viewpoint as inherently dishonest is pretty annoying. My own views lean SocDem and I’ve found voicing any opinion which is neither solidly left-wing or solidly right-wing, especially if it does not align with very American-centric views of the political spectrum, often elicits unpleasant reactions. Nuance is hard, I guess.
Could you give an example of a centrist viewpoint that you’ve voiced that would be labeled as inherently dishonest?
Being in favor of mixed economies, with stock markets, venture capital firms, but also universal healthcare and protection for unions. Being against American style basically unregulated firearm ownership (which seems quite popular on both the far left and far right, yet maybe not so much in the middle). And I feel free to criticize the actions of parties or politicians across the political spectrum, not just those on one side. I understand many people, especially the political left which I sympathize more with, are very angry these days. Justifiably. So am I. But being accused of being dishonest just for having a different point of view is annoying.
I genuinely appreciate that response thank you.
As an anarchist. The seething hate I’ve received for pointing out. That the genocide in Palestine is truly an appropriate both sides thing. That it wasn’t just Biden or just Harris. That it was our senators, our Congress people, and the executive branch.
That it was going to be a Republican or a Democrat that won the presidential election. And we all would definitely prefer it wasn’t for the Republican. Or that if Fox News covers you without wildly editorializing or smearing you. You done fucked up. You could be forgiven for thinking I had just strangled their grandmother’s from the reaction.
them: “both sides bad” me: “republicans are bad indeed” them: 😠
If libs take the stance that you’re either fully on my team or you’re my enemy then it’s going to be a long time until you win some elections and have the ability to make real policy. Democracy is about compromise and appealing to as many voters as possible. Truth is whomever gets the independents wins the elections in the USA, everything else is just noise and excuses.
Seems like the left don’t approve of common sense.
Social centrism ≠ traditional centrism
I mean, I understand that this is like a very prevailing thing, but centrists exist. Especially in a modern political climate that is this polarized, being a centrist is unbelievably hard to explain to people. The left is convinced that they are very people first and very centrist and the right is convinced that they are very right and very populist.
I mean basically what I’m saying is that this actually emphasizes a problem and people just blindly agreeing with this is also a problem. I would venture to say that most people can’t recognize an actual centrist as opposed to just immediately assuming them to be a right winger. This has happened for over 10 years in my daily life. Before Donald Trump even started running for president, in 2013, I had people accusing me of being either left-wing or right-wing, when in reality, I am very much a centrist. If I use any political buzzwords to identify myself whatsoever, I will then be put into a category that which does not properly define me. I despise the Democrats, I despise the Republicans, and I despise Donald J. Trump. I don’t think anyone in the last 10 years in the entirety of this government has been worth even considering for my vote for president.
But who am I? I’m just one guy.
Please don’t hate me for saying this. I just, I see this meme and I see the comments and I just think, wow, this must be a bunch of people who have experienced like, you know, those weird people who liked Trump but no longer like Trump. My point is that like people continue to say that there’s no such thing as a centrist and I’m not saying that you people are saying that I’m saying that that is a prevailing idea and I’m sick and tired of it and this meme and your comments very much seem to perpetuate that.
Anyway, I’m done. I hate politics because it’s terrible. There’s nothing and no one to vote for. No cause to get behind that will ever truly fix it just by voting. Get active in your community, physically, and improve things on a city-wide level. And then if a ton of people do that, we’ll actually see change. That is if these tariffs don’t literally destroy our entire economy. #AmericaisrecessionproofsolongaswethreatentheFederalReserve
The middleground between racism and not racism is 50% racism. That being said, they probably mean centrist in different topics. Blame two party system not the people.
What if I’m a centrist insisting both sides are garbage?
You’re literally who the meme is about.
Oh it goes both ways then, cool. I’m okay with that.
Then you’ll be down-voted because people are stupid and don’t want to have an actual conversation about things. However, apparently trying to ask to have an actual conversation about things is now a Republican strategy, which is again exactly what the liberals are complaining about, and both of these idiotic stances (down-voting people when they’re just trying to talk and then refusing to talk about things and on the other side, making talking about things a sorda political issue) is terrible. The Liberals shall come and droves and downvote you. Except that comment that I just said is now going to be interpreted as a Republican leaning stance. Common sense has been completely abandoned by both sides, not in its totality, but just enough so that there is a kind of metaphorical street fight and that there is mud slinging and that the general population has no idea how to actually solve any of these real-world problems that we are facing. Donald Trump is probably not going to be ejected from office as I think he should be. And, frankly speaking, I don’t think that the Democrats have any reasonable candidate to run in the next election. On top of this, most of the Democrats are going to roll over an allow project 2025 to take hold because the Democrats don’t really care. I mean, truly, you get them down into a room and I’m betting you that they don’t really care. And the Republicans, they’ve all rolled over to Donald Trump’s stances and now all we have is a bunch of far-right yahoos and a bunch of leftists who aren’t really leftists (I.e. Give me more political donations, billion dollar corporations!!!)
But anyway, I’m sure that’s going to be a lot of people who misinterpret my comments because, frankly speaking, most people are idiots.
My entire on a bridged point is thus. Both sides are garbage.
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Look into how democracy falls to fascism. One of the common traits is the far left and the center left fighting each other while a unified right takes control.
And you choose to contribute to it instead of letting leftists have a turn after 50 years of stagnation.
I’m done coddling the Neoliberals.
There are two choices here. Cooperate with Neoliberals, or be ruled by Fascists. There is no third option. Neither the left nor Neoliberals have the numbers to beat them alone.
Yeah we did that already in 2016 and 2024 and it failed miserably
It’s time for you to sit down shut up and vote with leftists this time.
No, a bunch of people voted third party or didn’t vote at all as a protest.
I voted for Obama, he was pretty good
I voted for Bernie, then grit my teeth and voted for Hillary when the DNC rigged their own primaries that they afterward admitted to.
Then I voted for biden
Then Kamala
This year is the first year I will 100% refuse to vote for another milquetoast Neoliberal that will ensure nothing will meaningfully change.
This year the neoliberals get to decide if we have democracy or facism.
Either help us end the Duopoly or get out of the way.
Letting fascists end democracy is certainly one way to end the duopoly I suppose.
Doing nothing, whilst being very shitty, is definitely better than doing active evil.
This has been the rhetoric for 50 years.
The last 50 years have lead to where we are now.
It’s time for new rhetoric besides “well the best we can hope for is a steady decline instead of a drop!”
Nope. Isn’t happening, no matter how much you promise the devil.
Wtf does this even mean?
Well if you want fascists to keep winning you have to right attitude.
We have well over 50 years of evidence that attempts at top down change always backfire. If you don’t want weak willed beholden people being nominated for leadership roles. Focus on filling all the offices beneath them with people who aren’t.
Even had Sanders made it into office. He would have struggled continuously to accomplish anything with all the people underneath him.
It is a literal yet unfortunate fact that we must hold our noses and vote for anyone who stands a chance at beating a Republican in a national presidential election. Until such time as the parties have been taken over by people who wouldn’t nominate someone like that.
This already happened in 2016, why am i the only one who remembers?!?!
Supporting one side of the Duopoly keeps us in the Duopoly forever.
Get over the democratic party, many already have
I’m an anarchist, but can acknowledge reality. Stop spouting nonsense and get over yourself. The rest of us have.
Nah this time the Neoliberals can get with the program or get out of the way.
Or do you hate democracy?
How are you gonna save democracy unless you vote for the people I tell you to vote for?
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Seems like the right is retarded.
