Revolution.
You guys literally wouldn’t vote for someone who stood against this, and had many progressive policy goals.
You think you guys who sat at home are gonna pick up guns and fight? Lol.
Harris and Biden hemorrhaged votes from almost every single demographic. They lost everyone. But its everyones fault but theirs? Not any sort of systemic problem?
Come on now.
Cutting benefits for the poorest.
Recipe for civil unrest, riots.
Riots mean more militarization of police, more authoritarianism, and domestic camps like Arpaio’s shitholes.
Now you have opportunity for forced labor to take the place of the exploited migrant labor we used to have.
Republicans just wanted to put minorities back in the fields as essentially slaves.
Not only did the Soviets win the cold war, but the South won the civil war. Should we check to see if the Spanish somehow ended up winning thr Spanish-American war too?
You mean more minorities. The prison industrial complex has been about slavery in all but name since the Reconstruction era.
This is what I call “what America literally voted for”.
*Won the popular vote but still a minority (<50%) voted for this.
That’s because 1/3 of voters tacitly support this shit by not voting.
“I’m not into politics. It doesn’t impact my life.”
— Gulag prisoner 4217657
I said this a million times last year on the leftist threads to people crying about the lesser evil. I don’t wish any pain on their lives but I also don’t know how to get through their thick skulls how real life can get unless they experience it from time to time.
I hope they have the day they voted for.
Simple as that. My empathy for those people is gone.
That’s oligarchy apologetics bullshit to keep us from changing the system. No need to make things more democratic if we’re blaming the majority of people.
That’s oligarchy apologetics bullshit to keep us from changing the system.
Or, you know, I’m being realistic about how things work in the real world. Or do you think that letting the fascists win is going to change the system for the better?
Whether or not you think its ‘oligarchy apologetics bullshit’, 2/3 of voting the population either explicitly or tacitly supported this shit. So yeah, I’m going to blame the majority for the outcome of a majority vote. Ignoring that fact is just going to make getting any meaningful change that much harder, and its hilarious to watch people justify their inaction in the face of the result of their choice.
That’s the same number it’s been for 100 years. You’re never going to change that by pointing it out so what is the goal of this conversation?
That is the kind of aggressive apatheist mentality which got the US into this situation in the first place.
The fptp voting system and gerrymandering did a lot of heavy lifting.
Sorry – no one can hear how right you are, over the simple glee of blaming the working class for getting so disenfranchised.
Larceny this, mugging that… Can we talk about the greater reach of white collar crime a sec, r?
Ah, sadly, no. That story was cut from the broadcast because we found a story about a dog that rides a motorcycle in Sioux City.
“Market research” by our corporate owners says that white collar crime doesn’t bring in the advertising dollars unless the victims are other wealthy people.
On the DemocracyNOW broadcast today they called it social murder. I think that’s more accurate.
“Theft” implies a transfer of wealth, but that’s not how government funding works. They aren’t taking money from the poor to give it to the rich, they are just taking money from the poor because they want them to die.
Sounds correct but who is going to fight the wars?
That’s the trick! Poor people that have had their healthcare and food taken away can enlist in the army for a wage and free healthcare. The very people the government is killing with its social murder agenda are the ones that will fight the wars.
Unless they’re disabled or old or trans or something, then they can just die. Win/Win as far as the fascist party is concerned.
I wonder how many typical maga idiots, if they even are aware of what is happening, are wondering why donvict is not hurting the people he “needs to be hurting”. The others are probably blaming Biden.
And then I have to wonder what the bothsiderists/centrists and so-called “leftists” that were claiming Harris/Biden were no different are going to say as they wake up to stuff like this? They were and are spending so much time on trying to gaslight everyone and telling people that an economy that had so many positive indicators and was trending in the right direction was just terrible, etc., ignoring the fact that a dummy like donnie could easily destroy what others have built…
Them “wondering” implies they are capable of thought. They are not.
They’ve largely disappeared, as the foreign disinformation campaign has successfully concluded. Only the most pretentiously loud and gullible are left.
If i have to hear one more of them try to not explain what Donald is doing with “Biden“
Just no. That doesn’t explain anything. Explain Donald. Make that make sense. Explaining Biden just to describe how much they like Donald is just them chanting their brainwashing tape at this point.
Americans have been poisoned with the idea that any kind of aid to poor people is the cause of poverty.
And now we’re going to get a hard dose of what its like to live in a country without social benefits.
As someone on SSDI, Medicaid/Medicare, and in HUD housing…… I’ve been terrified since Jan 20th. But I had hope that this bullshit might be stopped because I foolishly believed the Democrats would grow a fucking spine.
All these people who keep telling me I’m over exaggerating (on both sides) — especially my own family — will be shocked when I’m homeless or disappeared in the next few months.
This is a nightmare that never ends. I just want to wake up and for it all to be over.
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
Willingly. We collectively deserve it.
You’re disgusting, you’re okay with genocide as long as you get your comforts. We protested evil then, and we protest evil now. You only protest inconvenience.
You are not the fucking moral high ground. If this were a trolley problem, you’ve elected to kill five people instead of one. Even if the American left wasn’t going to move on the issue, the situation would not have been nearly as genocidal. For Ukraine, for Trans and GNC, for the homeless.
Absolutely, unequivocally, and without remorse: Go fuck yourself with a rusty crowbar.
If this were a trolley problem, you’ve elected to kill five people instead of one
Correct. The problem is that you’re not hearing the setup, or you don’t care, which solidifies my decision.
The trolley was coming to kill a million of our children. There were two other tracks, one was empty, and one just took an extra loop to hit you first.
And you monsters simply pulled the brakes off and ripped the third completely empty track off so the trolley had no chance of missing anyone. So I made sure it takes you too.
There’s no moral high ground, I said we collectively deserve it, I accept my punishment for living in and supporting the genocidal empire. You deserve it for your apathy.
Either way, at least when the US empire collapses when Trump is done with it, it’ll stop genociding nations and getting stupid responses like yours.
Scum like you makes this world a darker place because you use “the children” as an excuse to justify your immorality. If you wanted to kill yourself, you could have done it without taking the lives of so many innocents. Instead not only are you the proxy perpetrator of a different genocide, you’ve simply allowed the world to burn because of your hatred. You can’t modify the trolley problem by just saying “uhhh there’s ackshually three tracks and one is on a loop so fuck you” or come at me with “but you didn’t hear the setup!!”. There is no other setup you fucking buffoon. There was a simple binary choice and you chose wrong. You are a moron, through and through. You are the kind of person that makes me realize that actual democracy may have been a mistake, because idiots don’t deserve to make decisions. WE don’t “collectively” deserve shit because there is no WE. May your precious God have mercy on your soul in the next life, you dishonourable bastard.
Move the goalposts much?
Seeing as this is a reply to OP (a top comment), your reply makes zero sense. It literally can’t be moving the goalposts. Just shows how you’re squirming to get out of the repercussions of protest non voting. Which ironically is exactly the thought process that got you into protest non voting in the first place.
You can keep doing gymnastics. Ciao.
This is what nominating the lesser-evil got us.
As a party, the Dems suck. Absolutely. And in the long-term, as an opposition party, they are not great.
That being said, are the non-voters and protest non-voters children? The nonsense I’m reading about non-voters not being “inspired” or not being “captured” by Democrats to convince them to vote against fascism sounds like a description of a salesman trying to sell products, not the either-or choice being given to every adult American, which is, as a citizen, their own goddamn responsibility to be party to.
A non-vote is still a vote. You don’t absolve yourself of the outcome by choosing not to participate, because if you can vote, you’re already participating.
There were three real options this past election: MAGA, Dems, and I-don’t-care-they’re-equally-bad. So yes, not voting when fascists win means you supported fascism.
Obviously that does not mean non-voters are solely to blame. Republicans accepted fascists, those that voted R chose fascists, Dems suck as a party, and non-voters sat back and allowed fascists to take power. On the list, non-voters are the least bad, certainly, but they still bear responsibility.
You still don’t understand.
Arguing with me isn’t going to change anything. You should be arguing with the people that nominate establishment candidates.
Go ahead, blame me all you want; I genuinely don’t care. If you want me to get out and vote, then your neo-liberal, lesser-evil buddies need to be the ones who ‘fall in line.’
Every effort you spend in trying to get me to support establishment candidates is futile.
Lol this is not the flex that you think it is. This just shows the Dems that the left voter will never vote. So there is no reason to cater to them. And history plays this out, every time the Dems rely on the left voter, they don’t show up. At this point you’d be an absolute fool to cater to or rely on the left. The real futility here is ever thinking the left will ever show up, so what’s the point.
So pat yourself on the back on helping to move the overton window to the right. Yes you. Every single time you protest no vote.
Ok I really have to bow out of talking to you. Like you said it’s futile. PS look up what neoliberal means.
This just shows the Dems that the left voter will never vote.
Sorry, I stopped reading after this. You’re clueless.
Gonna ignore you now. Have fun wasting your efforts doing the same thing expecting different results.
Oh sure, my blue county would have certainly flipped the entire rest of the red state with my singular vote. If only Democrats had inspired me to believe in them, you wouldn’t have me as your scapegoat, even though not a single thing would change.
inspired
Thank you for admitting there was no logic. You want your feelings pandered to.
Damn, really sounds like some sort of political party should have tried to capture voters interest instead of pushing the status quo that has been suffocating folks for their whole life.
This shit is so fucking lazy.
Biden enacted plenty of progressive asks during his term. Harris outlined plenty of progressive asks in her campaign as well.
Just because it wasn’t 100% of what YOU personally wanted doesn’t mean it wasn’t good legislation.
Hope none of your family dies because of this, because if they do it’s on you, mr protest voter.
Harris outlined plenty of progressive asks in her campaign as well.
She also outlined a move to the right and lied about working super hard for a ceasefire
So tired of people pretending the Dems weren’t a horrific choice in 24, likely on purpose to give repubs their turn
You have 2 fucking choices. Sitting out means you have no right to complain, because you supported the worst side.
Sitting out means you have no right to complain
Always authoritarian bullshit from you people, pathetic
If you don’t vote, your opinion is worthless. You chose to sit out, so why would anyone want to listen to you?
A lack of vote is a valid choice in the system, if it wasn’t then it wouldn’t be allowed.
You chose to sit out, so why would anyone want to listen to you?
So that they can get your vote next time, should they actually want to win? What kind of moronic question is that, are you guys actually as stupid as it seems the Dems are at understanding basic shit?
So tired of people pretending the Dems weren’t a horrific choice in 24
Yeah, way worse than literal fascism.
likely on purpose to give repubs their turn
Lol. Do you still wear your clown nose when you’re at home alone? 🤡
Biden butchered children by the tens of thousands. I want to fucking die because I voted for that monster.
Huh, I had no idea Biden was Prime Minister of Israel. I’d always heard it was that Netanyahu guy.
…he gave him the weapons. And kept giving them after knowing what was happening…
And now thankfully Trump has stopped the genocide, oh wait he accelerated it.
With Kamala there was a chance things would have changed. The dems were at least applying pressure to Israel to find a resolution. I have plenty of criticisms and am pissed we spent tax dollars arming Israel.
However, now our government is enthusiastically supporting the elimination of Gaza. So yeah that didn’t pan out
Yeah, he personally turned 26487 children into various meat products for the whit house barbecue. He’s a surprisingly good chef, though. Those spare ribs were the best I ever had.
He personally ensured Israel had the bombs and international legal protection necessary to murder all those children. He did everything he could to guarantee those children died in twisted shieking agony. In fact, many of them did burn to death and he his personally responsible for cooking them alive.
Let me put it this way: I don’t feel like I deserve to live anymore for my role in the genocide.
Do you feel innocent?
Do you feel innocent?
Yes. Because our 2 options were a fascist, and a Liberal. Liberals may suck, but they can be worked with, and reasoned with. Fascists don’t have that perk.
Liberals are just fascists with better PR. They absolutely cannot be reasoned with, as evidenced by the democrats being exactly as complicit in the genocide as the republicans. No reasoning has managed to convince that party that Palestine deserves to exist.
Just admit what you really mean:
“The democrats may be just as genocidal outside of our country, but at least they’re not genociding inside our country like the republicans would”.
Or, put simply, “the democrats are evil in a way that doesn’t impact me”.
You’re the whiniest drama queen I’ve come across so far on Lemmy.
“Queermunist”, implying you are both queer and communist.
Mate you… you know you are the first group of people the turd wants to get rid of?
You deserve what’s coming for you, because you are the one asking for it, so when they come for you (because, unless there’s a very significant change, it’s not an if but a when), remember that you voted for it.
Imagine telling a minority “you deserve to be killed by fascists because you didn’t vote for my preferred candidate.”
It’s like they say! Scratch a liberal…
Imagine being part of a minority that a president has vowed to hunt and actively or passively help that president come to power so he can hunt you.
I live in a red state, my vote doesn’t even fucking count in this shit hole country.
Don’t be so modest, you’re excited for me to get murdered for being disobedient. That’s why you won’t lift a finger to resist fascism. Voting is the limit of your participation in politics and you aren’t going to be allowed to vote fascist away.
I won’t be surprised when volunteer to be one of the camp guards because you think you can change the system from the inside.
Imagine telling someone you’re fine with queer people being killed at home, because you’re so entitled that you sat out to defend those people.
Did I say I was fine with this? I just believe we can do things other than wait for the next election to stop it from happening. Get organized, get a gun, and get ready.
Are you going to act? Or are you going to sit on your ass and wait for another election that is never going to come?
Because if you’re waiting for the next election to stop fascism you are going to lose.
It’s called self preservation and acknowledging that America’s voting system is fundamentally flawed. You vote for harm reduction not perfection.
It’s easier to fight against the genocide in Israel when you’re not under a fascist government in your own country
I refuse to choose genocide for self preservation.
In fact, I kind of want to die just for my role as a passive participant in the genocide. I think about Aaron Bushnell a lot.
The percentage of people who don’t vote hasn’t changed much in 100 years. Call them lazy, uneducated, apathetic, etc, it makes no difference. They don’t vote and that’s all there is to be said about it. If you’re waiting around for them to start voting for your preferred candidate you’re going to be waiting for the rest of your life. Stop talking about them and start making other plans.
The difference in non-voters between 2020 and 2024 was enough to swing the election.
Yeah maybe its the job of the politicians to go out and get peoples votes and listen to what they’re concerned about rather than just sitting there saying well you have to vote for us cuz that guys worse
They ran on universal healthcare and taxing the rich. Their sitting president was one of, if not the most, progressive president in our lifetimes with a strong economic recovery record. They even listened when their base told them Biden was too old and gave them a younger candidate.
Just admit that the dumbfucks that voted 3rd party or didn’t vote were single issue losers who couldn’t see the forest for the trees and now we have fascism in America.
If you’re so entitled you need to be personally courted to stand up against fascism then Idk what to tell you.
And it swung the 2020 election. Biden still holds the record for the most votes of any president ever, Trump was number 2 for the most votes ever in that same election.
You cannot swing for the center and hope to flip some republicans. They vote on a single issue, and that issue is usually, “who will hurt the people I hate most”. They like to play it off as “Fiscally republican” or some other shit, but it’s all lies and falls apart if you pull on the threads of their reasoning.
Because Joe “nothing would fundamentally change” Biden was so progressive.
Hope none of your family died in the years before Trump like the hundreds of thousands of others who die each year from easily fixable causes but weren’t because they lived in status quo America.
Quick question, do you in any way shape or form hold the Democratic party responsible for their performance at the polls?
How many billions of dollars in student loan debt did Biden cancel? How much more would have been cancelled if the supreme court didn’t act in a blatantly partisan manner?
Yeah, I do hold them responsible. Shumer shouldn’t be in leadership and AOC should be on every high profile committee there is.
Not voting solves nothing. You know how you get more progressive legislation passed? By voting for the party that has progressives in it. That’s how. More democrats means more people like AOC. It doesn’t fucking matter if your personal rep is a god damned blue dog if it means there’s one less republican in congress.
How many billions in student loan debt did Biden create by helping establish the predatory student-loan system as it currently exists?
So, between someone who doesn’t allign 100% with my views and it’s not a nazi and an actual nazi, much better to choose the nazi, right? I mean, I guess it’s your vote so you can do as you please with it, but I reaaaaaally hope you don’t get any of what’s coming for you, because you know… you voted for all this so there is no empathy left in me for someone who’s getting what they asked for.
there is no empathy left in me for someone who’s getting what they asked for
Is that really something you think anyone here will care about? whether you “have empathy” for them? You have a wildly overinflated ego buddy. Have empathy, dont have it-- it doesnt matter to anyone. But if you could be less tedious and noisy we’d all appreciate that. Why dont you try that angle? Threaten to be yourself unless we do what you want.
“you have a wildly inflated ego, buddy”
writes dissertation on why they don’t care, because their opinion is the one that matters
