• return2ozma@lemmy.world
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        I know neolibs like to blame everyone and everything but themselves but even if 100% of the protest voters voted for Harris, she still would have lost.

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        Do you think this wouldn’t happen if Kamala was president? Because I seem to recall an entire genocide they could have halted a year ago but chose not to.

        Are you seriously arguing that slow genocide is better than quick genocide?

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          I’m arguing that you can have protests and at least an effect with Kamala and the dems in power…good luck with repubs and trump. They are don’t give two fucks about anyone.

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    The Protest Vote Paradox™

    As we’ve all read time after time in the months leading up to the election, the Protest Vote™ simply states states that:

    “We refuse to vote against a Tyrant-Felon in order to send a clear and concise message that we will not stand for [roll D20 for random popular single issue], and alongside our refusal to vote against the Tyrant-Felon, is a collective hope that the aforementioned clear and concise message- if ignored, is received under unmitigated duress!”

    -Cut to Tyrant-Felon’s win, and the aftermath:

    Wether observed or not, the behavior of the Protest Voter will attempt to achieve the following:
    • Obnoxiously tell everyone “We told you all what would happen!”
    • Claim there is “No way protest voting could cause trump to win.”

    As both of these options cannot simultaneously be true in the same reality without breaking important time-space things that we would probably prefer not be broken- we are left with only a few logical conclusions:

    1. Protest voters have no idea what they’re talking about.
    2. Protest voters don’t understand the concept of hypocrisy.
    3. Protest voters have somehow learned to defy reality and become exempt from the concept of paradoxes, thus creating an entirely new study of theoretical science, known as Bulletproof Symbiotic Hypocrisy Theory, or BLsHt.

    Something, something, something Ted Talk.

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      If you vote for quick genocide or slow genocide you are still voting for genocide

      If you vote for the lesser evil, you are still voting for evil. I am sorry that your morals are so bankrupt that you’re willing to let your own country murder hundreds of thousands of people in cold blood and not care.

      Lets not rewrite history and pretend that Biden/Harris were good for Palestinians. They vetoed every single ceasefire that came up, and were the only country to do so.

      They lost this election themselves by not listening to their base. The fault started and remains and ends with the establishment democratic party

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    Reminder that the West Bank is the one that’s not even ruled by Hamas and hasn’t attacked Israel. If Israel tried to do this under Harris, no doubt weapons would’ve been cut off and the US might have even favored sanctions.

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      Lol why? Gaza is illegally occupied too.

      Thousands of dead babies wasn’t enough for her or Biden. Rafah was a red line apparently and now Rafah doesn’t exist

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        “Legality” in this situation is completely irrelevant. The only law that would limit Kamala is the laws of politics. If she opposed intervention in Gaza, this would be the political equivalent of a frontal assault against a battleship. She’d be accused of helping Hamas, a bipartisan bill would be passed undoing whatever she does against Israel, and she’d be endlessly attacked by all sides in the media. If she opposed Israel annexing the West Bank, only the most extremist zionists would be against her on it for the reasons I stated.

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    I would be curious to see the numbers but I don’t think the pro Palestine protest voters cost the Democrats the election. It definitely didn’t help, but the Dems shat the bed in way more ways than just the Palestine situation.

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      Pro-Palestine protest votes didn’t cost the Dems the election, but that a single group was not the deciding factor in a contest does not absolve them of responsibility. IE single-issue pro-Israel voters probably were not the reason for Trump’s victory, but they still deserve a portion of the blame in voting for Trump.

      And many of these selfsame pro-Palestine protest vote types are continuing their dumbass games even as Trump greenlights fascism both at home and abroad - like everyone fucking told them he would.

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        Haha it’s people with flawed logic like you who deserve all the blame.

        People who think like you should have to pass aptitude tests before they vote since they literally lined up behind an undemocratically appointed presidential candidate who had no concrete policy position except vibez and no fundamental changes from Biden.

        People who couldn’t see an obvious and humiliating loss coming for Harris and the democrats since Biden was the candidate are the only people responsible for this disaster.

        The democrats could have given you options. They didn’t because they don’t care about you. They paraded around a half-dead 80 year old man as competent and made excuses for his ineptitude while telling everyone who said he wasn’t fit that they were the ones who were actually crazy. Then they do a last minute bait and switch because he is literally falling apart before the world’s eyes. They lied to you over and over and you are still carrying water for them. Does the history of the situation not matter now that Trump is president?

        That’s exactly why people are being called bluemaga.

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    You think they actually gave a shit.

    Palestine was just the latest version of “The Issue”

    Someone they can make their entire personality to make themselves look good.

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      Ah yeah people just were being dramatic and standing on such a small, unnecessary issue. It was only genocide

      We should have been focusing on the price of eggs instead