So what’s your plan for turning the country around. One that doesn’t involve expecting a revolution or someone else charming the whole country into suddenly having the values and principles we all want.
Facts:
Conservatism and hate is on the rise.
The left has been using the same tactics and talking points and attempts at raising awareness of social issues for decades and we’ve lost more freedoms and broad social respect in the last decade than we’ve gained.
There is an entire universe of people in the country who are having comfortable, happy lives while also condemning “wokeness” and whatever that means to them, so there’s no incentive to abandon this way of thinking.
If you really think banging the same drums forever and ever is going to eventually work, knock yourself out.
if you think that the marginalized groups are going to trust and work alongside the ones complicit in their disenfranchisement without the others putting in the work, while they are still tools of the oppressors- I just don’t understand why you think they would or should do that.
See this is the rhetoric that is holding us back. Whatever happens, we will still have to live next to the people who have anti-woke bumper stickers and are afraid of the “wrong” people in the bathroom. We won’t make lasting change if we don’t focus on the wealth divide that has made so many dumb fucks so vulnerable to fascism. If you can’t help but view them as malicious oppressors we’re never going to be able to exercise our actual power of intelligence and reason. It’s ridiculous how much fucking POWER we’re giving to the country’s least principled and most easily influenced population instead of actually just letting them be assholes, but making them OUR useful assholes. What lack of self-confidence does the left have broadly that we’re so afraid to do this? I’ve done it, it’s EASY.
If you genuinely think that continuing to harangue people that fucking Duck Tales is bad actually, you’re simply not winning the people to your side who you need. It’s dumb and I am not taking part in that kind of rhetoric ever again. We can make a class war SO EASILY but we get lost down these side-quests of “also, we have to include shaming people about their sports mascots and wearing leather and we have to make them feel ashamed they won’t date a trans girl, and here’s a list of other issues that we want to make these people aware of because we want vindication and validation far more than outcomes.”
One that doesn’t involve expecting a revolution or someone else charming the whole country into suddenly having the values and principles we all want.
My guy- in case you haven’t been paying attention- the revolution is already in progress! It’s not the one we wanted. It’s not the Leftists freeing the working class, it’s the god damn Nazi’s assuming control. And every day we sit back and do nothing, allowing them to gain and consolidate more and more power the harder it will become to free ourselves from. We are Germany in 1933. Orange Hitler is in power and is trying to make America the 4th Reich. The only question left is will we overthrow them ourselves or are we going to wait until the rest of the world unites against the U.S.?
Conservatism and hate is on the rise. Just like in pre WWII Germany.
The left has been using the same tactics and talking points and attempts at raising awareness of social issues for decades and we’ve lost more freedoms and broad social respect in the last decade than we’ve gained.
You are once again blaming the victims of the ‘culture war’ for the actions of the perpetrators. You are saying ‘woke’ people were “asking for it”, by demanding equality. You want to blame someone for taking away freedoms- blame the fascist pieces of shit taking away our freedoms! Shifting the blame to the victims is EXACTLY what the propaganda machine is designed to do, and you are eating it up!
There is an entire universe of people in the country who are having comfortable, happy lives while also condemning “wokeness” and whatever that means to them, so there’s no incentive to abandon this way of thinking.
They aren’t having ‘comfortable, happy lives’. If they were it wouldn’t be so easy to manipulate them into scapegoating immigrants, minorities, ‘liberated women’, socialists and trans people for their misery. Clearly they think something is wrong with the country and are willing to sell their very souls to a fascist dictator who promises to ‘fix’ things and ‘make the country great’.
The incentive is there, but they are too ignorant to realize it. The incentive to fight for freedom from our oppressors and equality for all people is a better, happier world for everyone. They are just focusing on the wrong enemy- exactly what the ruling class wants them to do.
How do you fight ignorance? By simply ignoring it and hoping it will sort itself out eventually? When has that ever worked? The only way to fight ignorance is with Education. Knowledge. Facts. The truth. Not burying our heads in the sand and being too afraid to step out of your comfort zone to learn about the Truth.
Right now we are in The Matrix. You are Cypher, and you want us to stay plugged in so you can continue to enjoy your delicious steak and be someone important (a white man). You are right that waking up to reality is tough. It’s uncomfortable. It’s dark and bleak and scary. Seeing our oppressors and their strength for what it is doesn’t make fighting them any easier. What it does do is allow us to actually see who the real enemy is. It gives a fighting chance that staying plugged in simply will never give us. Yes there will be millions of other Cyphers too comfortable ever want to wake up. Who will fight to protect the system that keep them ignorant and enslaved.
“The Matrix is a system. That system is our enemy. But when you’re inside, you look around- what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system, andthat makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.”
If you really think banging the same drums forever and ever is going to eventually work, knock yourself out.
That’s exactly what reactionaries told abolitionists. That’s what they told the women fighting for suffrage. That’s what they told the black folks demanding equal rights. That’s what they told gay people who wanted the right to marry. “Just give up already, it’s never going to happen- you are only pissing people off- just give up!”
We won’t make lasting change if we don’t focus on the wealth divide that has made so many dumb fucks so vulnerable to fascism.
WE are focusing on that. WE mention it ALL THE TIME. Over HALF of OUR talking points are about the ever growing wealth gap, about the buying and selling of our politicians, about the ways capitalism is destroying our freedoms and our environment. It’s the Right Wing Controlled Media (all mainstream media in the US) which is the main tool the ruling class have, that hammers home the fact that the same people who advocate for economic equality also advocates for social equality, and people need to ‘pick a side’.
Show me an example of what you are talking about. Show me even ONE politician who is anti-human rights, but also anti-capitalist. If it would be ‘SO EASY’ for the bigoted ‘anti-woke’ working class to suddenly switch over to anti-capitalist class warfare- there should be TONS of people already advocating for that, right?
We can make a class war SO EASILY but we get lost down these side-quests of “also, we have to include shaming people about their sports mascots and wearing leather and we have to make them feel ashamed they won’t date a trans girl, and here’s a list of other issues that we want to make these people aware of because we want vindication and validation far more than outcomes.”
Again you are missing the entire point. ‘Wokeness’ isn’t about making crackers feel bad. It isn’t about shaming people for not dating trans women or wearing leather. "Woke’ LITERALLY means waking up to and being aware of your oppressors. For YOU, the only people oppressing YOU are capitalists, because YOU clearly aren’t a member of any minority group. YOU expect minorities to just Shut up about Oppression so that the Oppressors don’t feel bad about it. One of the main goals of ‘Class War’ is to eliminate CLASS entirely.
If by some incredible miracle the fascist boot liking contingent of the working class were to suddenly show interest in class war and a willingness to work with the ‘woke mob’ to fight against the ruling class- and we were able to win that battle, we would still be just as divided by race, gender, and ideology as we are now- the battle would only be half over. There would still be hierarchy aka ‘Classes’. Asking ‘woke’ people to just accept bigotry is like asking the people in the concentration camps to stop criticizing the bigots that put them there in order to fight the Nazis. It makes no sense. The people that put them there ARE the Nazis and Nazi sympathizers.
Right now we are in The Matrix. You are Cypher, and you want us to stay plugged in so you can continue to enjoy your delicious steak and be someone important (a white man).
I literally almost stopped here and this me just sort of skim the rest because it’s so obvious that you’re not participating seriously or you’re woefully new at all this.
I think we live in different worlds. I am out talking to actual people on both sides of issues, I am out doing actual things with real people. You have the same syndrome that a lot of leftists have, which is getting the need for intellectual battle out of your system online because you literally cannot debate the right, they are also in a different world and don’t care if you best them in games of rhetoric.
‘Wokeness’ isn’t about making crackers feel bad. It isn’t about shaming people for not dating trans women or wearing leather. "Woke’ LITERALLY means waking up to and being aware of your oppressors.
The people who updoot this type of rhetoric are already on your side. The people not on your side roll their eyes at this bullshit, and until you get that through your collective skulls on the Terminally Online Left, we will continue to lose young men to fascist rhetoric that tells them to stop worrying about thinking with their heads and points an enemy at them. You are still spinning your wheels imagining we’re going to form the “perfect argument” that turns everyone around. At least I think that’s what you’re saying, I asked what your strategy would be to turn things around, you didn’t give one, you tried to turn it around on me saying that there’s no “representation” proving that it’s easy to turn people.
Bro, it’s so easy to turn people that people have been fucking turned nazi because we’re all here pondering theory and culture behind isolated cultural lines. Have you spent any time in a conservative hangout? Have you lived around rednecks and working class people? Do you have ANY idea what goes on in their minds? And yet you think you know how to change them? Give them a new story, one by one, each of them, get to know them, talk to them, listen to them, and turn them against the proper target and STOP TRYING TO MAKE EVERYTHING PERFECT FOR EVERYONE, WE’RE ALL GOING TO FUCKING DIE.
It’s like being in a dream where you are trying to shake people into becoming aware it’s a dream and they just stare like zombies. Smuggest fucking intellectuals in line for the gas chambers, all of you. I’m out.
So what’s your plan for turning the country around. One that doesn’t involve expecting a revolution or someone else charming the whole country into suddenly having the values and principles we all want.
Facts:
Conservatism and hate is on the rise.
The left has been using the same tactics and talking points and attempts at raising awareness of social issues for decades and we’ve lost more freedoms and broad social respect in the last decade than we’ve gained.
There is an entire universe of people in the country who are having comfortable, happy lives while also condemning “wokeness” and whatever that means to them, so there’s no incentive to abandon this way of thinking.
If you really think banging the same drums forever and ever is going to eventually work, knock yourself out.
See this is the rhetoric that is holding us back. Whatever happens, we will still have to live next to the people who have anti-woke bumper stickers and are afraid of the “wrong” people in the bathroom. We won’t make lasting change if we don’t focus on the wealth divide that has made so many dumb fucks so vulnerable to fascism. If you can’t help but view them as malicious oppressors we’re never going to be able to exercise our actual power of intelligence and reason. It’s ridiculous how much fucking POWER we’re giving to the country’s least principled and most easily influenced population instead of actually just letting them be assholes, but making them OUR useful assholes. What lack of self-confidence does the left have broadly that we’re so afraid to do this? I’ve done it, it’s EASY.
If you genuinely think that continuing to harangue people that fucking Duck Tales is bad actually, you’re simply not winning the people to your side who you need. It’s dumb and I am not taking part in that kind of rhetoric ever again. We can make a class war SO EASILY but we get lost down these side-quests of “also, we have to include shaming people about their sports mascots and wearing leather and we have to make them feel ashamed they won’t date a trans girl, and here’s a list of other issues that we want to make these people aware of because we want vindication and validation far more than outcomes.”
My guy- in case you haven’t been paying attention- the revolution is already in progress! It’s not the one we wanted. It’s not the Leftists freeing the working class, it’s the god damn Nazi’s assuming control. And every day we sit back and do nothing, allowing them to gain and consolidate more and more power the harder it will become to free ourselves from. We are Germany in 1933. Orange Hitler is in power and is trying to make America the 4th Reich. The only question left is will we overthrow them ourselves or are we going to wait until the rest of the world unites against the U.S.?
Conservatism and hate is on the rise. Just like in pre WWII Germany.
You are once again blaming the victims of the ‘culture war’ for the actions of the perpetrators. You are saying ‘woke’ people were “asking for it”, by demanding equality. You want to blame someone for taking away freedoms- blame the fascist pieces of shit taking away our freedoms! Shifting the blame to the victims is EXACTLY what the propaganda machine is designed to do, and you are eating it up!
They aren’t having ‘comfortable, happy lives’. If they were it wouldn’t be so easy to manipulate them into scapegoating immigrants, minorities, ‘liberated women’, socialists and trans people for their misery. Clearly they think something is wrong with the country and are willing to sell their very souls to a fascist dictator who promises to ‘fix’ things and ‘make the country great’.
The incentive is there, but they are too ignorant to realize it. The incentive to fight for freedom from our oppressors and equality for all people is a better, happier world for everyone. They are just focusing on the wrong enemy- exactly what the ruling class wants them to do.
How do you fight ignorance? By simply ignoring it and hoping it will sort itself out eventually? When has that ever worked? The only way to fight ignorance is with Education. Knowledge. Facts. The truth. Not burying our heads in the sand and being too afraid to step out of your comfort zone to learn about the Truth.
Right now we are in The Matrix. You are Cypher, and you want us to stay plugged in so you can continue to enjoy your delicious steak and be someone important (a white man). You are right that waking up to reality is tough. It’s uncomfortable. It’s dark and bleak and scary. Seeing our oppressors and their strength for what it is doesn’t make fighting them any easier. What it does do is allow us to actually see who the real enemy is. It gives a fighting chance that staying plugged in simply will never give us. Yes there will be millions of other Cyphers too comfortable ever want to wake up. Who will fight to protect the system that keep them ignorant and enslaved.
“The Matrix is a system. That system is our enemy. But when you’re inside, you look around- what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system, and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.”
That’s exactly what reactionaries told abolitionists. That’s what they told the women fighting for suffrage. That’s what they told the black folks demanding equal rights. That’s what they told gay people who wanted the right to marry. “Just give up already, it’s never going to happen- you are only pissing people off- just give up!”
WE are focusing on that. WE mention it ALL THE TIME. Over HALF of OUR talking points are about the ever growing wealth gap, about the buying and selling of our politicians, about the ways capitalism is destroying our freedoms and our environment. It’s the Right Wing Controlled Media (all mainstream media in the US) which is the main tool the ruling class have, that hammers home the fact that the same people who advocate for economic equality also advocates for social equality, and people need to ‘pick a side’.
Show me an example of what you are talking about. Show me even ONE politician who is anti-human rights, but also anti-capitalist. If it would be ‘SO EASY’ for the bigoted ‘anti-woke’ working class to suddenly switch over to anti-capitalist class warfare- there should be TONS of people already advocating for that, right?
Again you are missing the entire point. ‘Wokeness’ isn’t about making crackers feel bad. It isn’t about shaming people for not dating trans women or wearing leather. "Woke’ LITERALLY means waking up to and being aware of your oppressors. For YOU, the only people oppressing YOU are capitalists, because YOU clearly aren’t a member of any minority group. YOU expect minorities to just Shut up about Oppression so that the Oppressors don’t feel bad about it. One of the main goals of ‘Class War’ is to eliminate CLASS entirely.
If by some incredible miracle the fascist boot liking contingent of the working class were to suddenly show interest in class war and a willingness to work with the ‘woke mob’ to fight against the ruling class- and we were able to win that battle, we would still be just as divided by race, gender, and ideology as we are now- the battle would only be half over. There would still be hierarchy aka ‘Classes’. Asking ‘woke’ people to just accept bigotry is like asking the people in the concentration camps to stop criticizing the bigots that put them there in order to fight the Nazis. It makes no sense. The people that put them there ARE the Nazis and Nazi sympathizers.
I literally almost stopped here and this me just sort of skim the rest because it’s so obvious that you’re not participating seriously or you’re woefully new at all this.
I think we live in different worlds. I am out talking to actual people on both sides of issues, I am out doing actual things with real people. You have the same syndrome that a lot of leftists have, which is getting the need for intellectual battle out of your system online because you literally cannot debate the right, they are also in a different world and don’t care if you best them in games of rhetoric.
The people who updoot this type of rhetoric are already on your side. The people not on your side roll their eyes at this bullshit, and until you get that through your collective skulls on the Terminally Online Left, we will continue to lose young men to fascist rhetoric that tells them to stop worrying about thinking with their heads and points an enemy at them. You are still spinning your wheels imagining we’re going to form the “perfect argument” that turns everyone around. At least I think that’s what you’re saying, I asked what your strategy would be to turn things around, you didn’t give one, you tried to turn it around on me saying that there’s no “representation” proving that it’s easy to turn people.
Bro, it’s so easy to turn people that people have been fucking turned nazi because we’re all here pondering theory and culture behind isolated cultural lines. Have you spent any time in a conservative hangout? Have you lived around rednecks and working class people? Do you have ANY idea what goes on in their minds? And yet you think you know how to change them? Give them a new story, one by one, each of them, get to know them, talk to them, listen to them, and turn them against the proper target and STOP TRYING TO MAKE EVERYTHING PERFECT FOR EVERYONE, WE’RE ALL GOING TO FUCKING DIE.
It’s like being in a dream where you are trying to shake people into becoming aware it’s a dream and they just stare like zombies. Smuggest fucking intellectuals in line for the gas chambers, all of you. I’m out.