• SunSunFuego@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    2 days ago

    While yes i don’t want to slave away most of my time by effectively working 10hrs in my 40hr work week.

    yet- he who does not work shall not eat.

    • Deceptichum@quokk.auOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      2 days ago

      We overproduce an abundance of food.

      There are people who cannot labour or be materially productive members of society, they are no less important or worthy of basic humanity.

      A persons value is not limited to what you can extract from them.

      • SunSunFuego@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 days ago

        i know my claim sounds confrontative, of course we should provide people with access to our abundand resources and some people are mentally or physically unable to work - you can’t expect them to provide something to society as they rely on us to survive.

        but everyone who’s able should provide something.

        no the abundance doesn’t come from 40-80hr wage slavery done by billions.

        BUT the abundance comes from actual work done by billions.

        • just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          2 days ago

          Abundance comes from advancement of tech and tools, not just from labour.

          If only the “40 hours a week” people deserve to live outside poverty then this exclude many other people who are without a doubt productive for society and even capital.

          Many scholars never got money from their contributions, they didn’t even get recognition within their life. They for sure contributed positively to the society. Yet their works was not included in “40 hrs work week”.

          Housewives also provide labour without which the society can not function, they are also within this categories.

          Open source devs also don’t get paid for their work. Yet their hobby does in fact lead to productivity.

          By restricting our definition to “40 hrs work week”, we overlook many of these segments.

          • SunSunFuego@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            2 days ago

            look i think i am just bad with words. i agree. i don’t consider work as “beating hammers for 5hrs” but as contributing something. labour is labour. open source devs do work, scientists do work, mothers do work. everything is work in some form, as long as it contributes to society.

            the 40hrs are an arbitrary time window while a lot of people only use a fraction of this time productively.