By what metrics? Life expectancy tells a very different story:
Note the increase in deviation from the rest of comparable countries starting around 2008.
In-hospital mortality rates which had been decreasing for decades suddenly flatlined while continuing to fall in other countries.
Treatable deaths remained pretty steady.
Maternal mortality rates starting skyrocketing around ~2015 but had been steadily increasing since ~95. There does already to be something weird that happened ~2005 that potentially delayed that rocket for a decade but I strongly doubt there’s any correlation there.
No obvious correlation to deaths of despair. It had been increasing for a while due to the whole recession thing and seems to just continue accelerating, especially when comparing age adjusted mortality.
Bankruptcy fillings are the only thing that looks to maybe have some correlation, but even then there doesn’t seem to be a strong causitive link and it certainly hasn’t lasted:
So again, by what fucking metric?! Because any I can think of there doesn’t seem to even be any positive correlation much less any strong causitive link.
While graphs can help tell a story, they aren’t really statistical proof. Especially because Healthcare is a complicated field with a lot of factors that could impact overall outcomes.
Some of the major things that ACA did was change how preexisting conditions were covered as well as children being able to stay on Healthcare until they were 26 and medicaid expansion.
The other major changes, like health insurance markets were so heavily attacked that the benefits from them were never able to really materialize.
While I agree that we aren’t seeing the outcomes we’d hope for, I would largely blame that on Republicans who repeatedly waste time trying to revoke the ACA rather than pushing policy that actually tries to improve things.
While graphs can help tell a story, they aren’t really statistical proof. Especially because Healthcare is a complicated field with a lot of factors that could impact overall outcomes.
You are making a claim, you need to provide that proof. I am saying that a cursory glance at the data does not support your claim in the slightest and setting a very low bar for any kind of evidence.
So again, by what fucking metrics? While a formal statistical analysis of aggregate health factors would be nice, I’m asking for any evidence for that claim.
Some of the major things that ACA did was___
I am well aware of what the ACA did, and would argue that coupling healthcare even more strongly to a parasitic insurance industry has worsened health care outcomes. However, I can’t really say that with much confidence because there’s not a lot of evidence for it.
What i can say with certainly is healthcare outcomes have significantly worsened since the passing of the ACA.
Intuition is not reality.
I would largely blame that on Republicans
Sure, but I also lay equal blame on Democrats who repeatedly waste time trying to defend the ACA rather than pushing policy that actually tries to improve things.
Meaning, even among the Democrat party, there was little will to adopt the standards the rest of the western world enjoys. If actual public healthcare was a majority position among the party, the party wouldn’t have had to compromise with itself.
People really forget that Obama wanted a much more robust system but had to compromise literally time and time again just to get it passed. I remember all the revisions they tried because Republicans kept changing their demands and prevent the whole thing altogether.
Obamacare. Which, for all of its many flaws, was a major step forward in health care in this country, and saved numerous lives - my own included.
Obamacare was Romneycare with blue packaging. A perfect example of the ‘compromise’ in the comic.
Could have pushed for real healthcare like the rest of the Western world but no, wasted that chance.
Do you… do you not understand that Obamacare, as it was, only barely passed?
And even then Republicans have been constantly chipping away at it and trying to repeal it.
I feel like a lot of people forget that Healthcare was a lot worse before ACA/Obamacare and that’s in its crippled state.
Just imagine what the US could do if we consistently elected people who cared about us.
They don’t forget. They either weren’t around to know or are so young they think things just change in no time with no effort.
It’s the ignorance of youth.
By what metrics? Life expectancy tells a very different story:
Note the increase in deviation from the rest of comparable countries starting around 2008.
In-hospital mortality rates which had been decreasing for decades suddenly flatlined while continuing to fall in other countries.
Treatable deaths remained pretty steady.
Maternal mortality rates starting skyrocketing around ~2015 but had been steadily increasing since ~95. There does already to be something weird that happened ~2005 that potentially delayed that rocket for a decade but I strongly doubt there’s any correlation there.
No obvious correlation to deaths of despair. It had been increasing for a while due to the whole recession thing and seems to just continue accelerating, especially when comparing age adjusted mortality.
Bankruptcy fillings are the only thing that looks to maybe have some correlation, but even then there doesn’t seem to be a strong causitive link and it certainly hasn’t lasted:
So again, by what fucking metric?! Because any I can think of there doesn’t seem to even be any positive correlation much less any strong causitive link.
While graphs can help tell a story, they aren’t really statistical proof. Especially because Healthcare is a complicated field with a lot of factors that could impact overall outcomes.
Some of the major things that ACA did was change how preexisting conditions were covered as well as children being able to stay on Healthcare until they were 26 and medicaid expansion.
The other major changes, like health insurance markets were so heavily attacked that the benefits from them were never able to really materialize.
While I agree that we aren’t seeing the outcomes we’d hope for, I would largely blame that on Republicans who repeatedly waste time trying to revoke the ACA rather than pushing policy that actually tries to improve things.
You are making a claim, you need to provide that proof. I am saying that a cursory glance at the data does not support your claim in the slightest and setting a very low bar for any kind of evidence.
So again, by what fucking metrics? While a formal statistical analysis of aggregate health factors would be nice, I’m asking for any evidence for that claim.
I am well aware of what the ACA did, and would argue that coupling healthcare even more strongly to a parasitic insurance industry has worsened health care outcomes. However, I can’t really say that with much confidence because there’s not a lot of evidence for it.
What i can say with certainly is healthcare outcomes have significantly worsened since the passing of the ACA.
Intuition is not reality.
Sure, but I also lay equal blame on Democrats who repeatedly waste time trying to defend the ACA rather than pushing policy that actually tries to improve things.
Doesn’t that… prove the point?
Meaning, even among the Democrat party, there was little will to adopt the standards the rest of the western world enjoys. If actual public healthcare was a majority position among the party, the party wouldn’t have had to compromise with itself.
People really forget that Obama wanted a much more robust system but had to compromise literally time and time again just to get it passed. I remember all the revisions they tried because Republicans kept changing their demands and prevent the whole thing altogether.