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phdeeznuts@mander.xyz to Political Memes@lemmy.worldEnglish · 3 days ago

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    You have more police violence in the US, not more genocide.

    Right, it’s just police violence that the US is

    Building concentration camps: https://www.newsweek.com/ice-immigrant-detention-expansion-announced-map-2037263

    https://www.themarshallproject.org/2025/08/29/michigan-ice-georgia-louisiana-prison

    https://www.npr.org/2025/06/04/nx-s1-5417980/private-prisons-and-local-jails-are-ramping-up-as-ice-detention-exceeds-capacity

    Rounding up and dissapearing thousands:

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2025-04-10/about-90-of-migrants-sent-to-el-salvador-lacked-u-s-criminal-record

    https://www.democracynow.org/2025/9/25/alligator_alcatraz

    https://www.npr.org/2025/06/10/nx-s1-5428568/ice-raids-la-fashion-district-immigration

    https://apnews.com/article/trump-south-sudan-djibouti-deport-supreme-court-50f9162cff680b5c8729873e11d514e9

    Total normal US police brutality. Nothing to see here. /s

    Are you intentionally ignoring reality or do you frequently try to talk with people about important issues you clearly have no understanding or context to?

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      Quick google search:

      You can bring isolated instances as much as you want, macro data points to this being a bipartisan issue and nothing having fundamentally changed.

      This is not an endorsement of Trump, this is a blanket condemnation of the entire US government apparatus, which should be entirely dissolved.

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        My dude, ICE just got a budget that dwarfs the marines specifically to become Trump’s Gestapo and genocide force: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ice-funding-world-militaries-b2790466.html

        And “isolated incidents”?

        My dude, I want you to ask yourself, really ask yourself, were the rights of immigrants more compromised last year, or this year?

        Did they have more of a legal framework to rely on to ensure their own safety and safety for their loved ones this year or last year?

        We’re facilities being built en masse specifically for an unparalleled mass deportation campaign (which is how the Holocaust started BTW) last year or did that start this year?

        Ask yourself, was the active president trying to normalize sending the military to confront protestors last year or this year?

        Shit, don’t just ask yourself, ask immigrants. Ask scholars who specialize in the history of genocide.

        You’re too hyper-focused on simple raw data while conveniently ignoring the context of the reality behind it, and your data isn’t even up to date for the current year who’s data would most be important to have for this conversation.

        Not to mention the very likely discrepancy that people detained by ICE and sent to concentration camps are likely not gonna show up on data talking specifically about US prisons for US crimes. Especially when you consider THE VAST MAJORITY THAT ICE HAS KIDNAPPED HAVE NO CRIMINAL RECORD: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-ice-immigration-arrest-data-1.7584212

        Why tf would they show up on that data?

        Also, do you genuinely believe ICE when they report back that their victims are alive and ok, when 1.2k ARE FUCKING MISSING FROM ALLIGATOR AUSCHWITZ? Which we only know about because it was closed down for environmental regulations.

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          I commend your care about the minorities in the US, I’m just trying to show that this isn’t an exclusive Trump issue, the US system literally puts 1 in 5 black men through the prison system throughout their lives. I’m not endorsing Trump, I’m not endorsing ICE, both are fascist organizations. It’s just that the entire US apparatus is fascist and now it’s strengthening its repression inwards, which has USians worried. As a non-USian, it’s sad to see, but it’s what Democrats enabled by not doing literally anything during their rule and putting forth an unelectable pro-genocide candidate talking of fascist points such as the infamous “I will ensure that the USA has the most lethal armed forces in the world” to which the crowd in the DNC responded “USA, USA, USA”. The way to fight fascists historically isn’t to elect less fascist right wing, not even social democrats, but to organize in communist and anarchist unions, parties and organizations.

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