True, but the alternatives generally are either a pain in the ass or require yet another syncing service to have sensitive info just so I can access things reliably anywhere.
It is still more secure than SMS and email based options.
Besides, my vaultwarden still needs an MFA code to access in the first place, and that’s handled by a separate generator.
I’m willing to accept the slight security difference in exchange for the convenience of having access on a single app 99.9% of the time.
To get into my Vaultwarden in the first place to get my info they’d first have to know my self-hosted server exists to target. And they’d need to compromise that MFA which is handled by a separate unrelated app.
That’s more than enough security for nearly everyone on the planet.
Sure. But if your bitwarden is protected by a 50char password AND a yubikey, it’s not that big of a tradeoff imo. That’s what I do, but I have hundreds of MFA tokens and it was PAINFUL to auth a lot of the time when I was using an authenticator app.
They’re exactly why I decided to accept the slight security downgrade for usability. Plus, at the time, finding a yubikey that would work with every device, desktop, laptop, mobile, etc. was impossible without dongles, kind of defeating the point. USB-C wasn’t on everything then.
How do you like the self hosted approach? I contemplate it every so often, but I’m not sure that my sysadmin abilities (and attention) are enough to keep it secure.
The admin overhead isn’t too bad as long as you have a good base, and don’t try to do anything crazy. I transferred from Synology to a custom built NAS recently, and it’s running TrueNAS. That supports not only docker now, but also a catalog of apps preconfigured for TrueNAS with minimal manual setup needed.
For Vaultwarden, since it needs external access, I had issues setting up various reverse proxy systems and dynamic DNS services properly. So I got cheap like $5 domain through Cloudflare, and run a Cloudflare tunnel back to my network for Vaultwarden and a couple other apps like Emby for my media.
The Cloudflare tunnel also allows me to use WARP as a VPN on my laptop and phone to route that traffic back through my home network. Which also lets me use the pi-hole on my network for my ad blocking on those devices.
I jump into the TrueNAS interface weekly to check for system and app updates, and that’s about it.
I transitioned everything to Bitwarden. Password manager, passkeys, and MFA code generation all in one app that works on all of my devices.
And then I started to self-host it via Vaultwarden and transferred all the data.
A friendly FYI: having your passwords and MFA in one place partially defeats the purpose
True, but the alternatives generally are either a pain in the ass or require yet another syncing service to have sensitive info just so I can access things reliably anywhere.
It is still more secure than SMS and email based options.
Besides, my vaultwarden still needs an MFA code to access in the first place, and that’s handled by a separate generator.
I get that not everyone wants to set up something like Aegis in combination with e.g. Syncthing.
Of course it is still better than SMS and email, but I would recommend you check out Ente Auth and/or Proton Auth.
Both are end to end encrypted and you would at least have it in separate apps
I’m willing to accept the slight security difference in exchange for the convenience of having access on a single app 99.9% of the time.
To get into my Vaultwarden in the first place to get my info they’d first have to know my self-hosted server exists to target. And they’d need to compromise that MFA which is handled by a separate unrelated app.
That’s more than enough security for nearly everyone on the planet.
Perfectly valid, everyone has their own threat model and their own standards.
I do 2 accounts, one normal, one mfa. If only the extension would let you pull from both accounts at once! KepassXC still does the usability better.
Sure. But if your bitwarden is protected by a 50char password AND a yubikey, it’s not that big of a tradeoff imo. That’s what I do, but I have hundreds of MFA tokens and it was PAINFUL to auth a lot of the time when I was using an authenticator app.
They’re exactly why I decided to accept the slight security downgrade for usability. Plus, at the time, finding a yubikey that would work with every device, desktop, laptop, mobile, etc. was impossible without dongles, kind of defeating the point. USB-C wasn’t on everything then.
Bitwarden is just so awesome
How do you like the self hosted approach? I contemplate it every so often, but I’m not sure that my sysadmin abilities (and attention) are enough to keep it secure.
The admin overhead isn’t too bad as long as you have a good base, and don’t try to do anything crazy. I transferred from Synology to a custom built NAS recently, and it’s running TrueNAS. That supports not only docker now, but also a catalog of apps preconfigured for TrueNAS with minimal manual setup needed.
For Vaultwarden, since it needs external access, I had issues setting up various reverse proxy systems and dynamic DNS services properly. So I got cheap like $5 domain through Cloudflare, and run a Cloudflare tunnel back to my network for Vaultwarden and a couple other apps like Emby for my media.
The Cloudflare tunnel also allows me to use WARP as a VPN on my laptop and phone to route that traffic back through my home network. Which also lets me use the pi-hole on my network for my ad blocking on those devices.
I jump into the TrueNAS interface weekly to check for system and app updates, and that’s about it.