Good point.

Or they’re hiring a relative but have to go through the motions of pretending to do the candidate search process.

I didn’t call you or anyone else in this thread a tankie, because I actually agree with the premise that Lemmy could benefit from a more collaborative culture.

Then tell the people who supported genocide for a solid year. Oh wait. You agree with them about 100% of everything and wonder why I’m so hung up on a little insignificant thing like genocide.

Progressives have been betrayed by the party for decades. We’ve watched the party come up with constant procedural bullshit to throw in their own way to block progressive policy for decades. And then we watched them ignore actual law because they wanted, dearly wanted netanyahu to have his genocide. And because we had the temerity to be upset at genocide, we’re being blamed for the loss democrats refused to let go of their only actual policy to avoid.

I don’t think there is any daylight between us when it comes to Trump or unions or healthcare or LGBTQ+ or protecting online speech or most other things.

Democrats slow-walked the trump investigations out of an unwillingness to pursue justice. They happily broke the rail strike. They let republicans set the narrative on trans people and did nothing to challenge that narrative at best, and actively participated in it by running republicans’ hateful “boys in girls sports” talking point in their own ads at worst. Their actions run contrary to their stated positions.

I don’t consider you an enemy at all, and I hope you think the same about me.

You have made it clear that you don’t want me to talk about topics on which we differ, on the grounds that expecting accountability from democrats is “divisive.”

No one here brought up the Democratic Party or genocide except you.

This is a post about division on Lemmy.

And it sure would be nice for all the centrists who spent a solid year screeching abuse at anyone who dared to say that genocide was wrong if anyone who said it could be silenced by saying that they’re being divisive.

Meanwhile, I don’t see you saying boo to anyone who’s calling anyone to their left a tankie in this thread. “Divisive” is a club used by the orthodox to enforce orthodoxy.

You actually don’t have to demonstrate that. You can choose to find common ground in the culture of the platform and save the division for matters that are important to you in the communities that discuss them.

I can choose to agree with genocide or shut up. That’s the only thing you’re saying.

Nothing but performative worship of democrats for their support for genocide will ever satisfy centrists.

Nothing the left ever does will ever be enough because every centrist got the only thing any of them wanted with the genocide support.

The party is shit on purpose until they change and their apologists love it.

You’re encouraging people to “stay home in well-earned disgust”.

I’m remarking on a genuine phenomenon. At no point did I tell anyone to stay home, but anyone who wants no criticism of the party interprets all criticism as such.

There are ways to say what you want to say carefully.

There is no criticism of the worst behavior of the party that won’t be regarded as disloyalty from people who like how the party moved so far to the right that it supported genocide.

But in my opinion stopping the Nazis needs to come before any other priorities.

democrats didn’t even consider that enough of a problem to change their most odious position.

It’s great that you agree with me on some things.

Democrats still need to listen to criticism. They still need to realize that there are things they can do that will cause people who would otherwise vote for them to stay home in well-earned disgust. Voters have standards, and when they see a party willing to do nothing for them and anything for a genocidal apartheid regime on the other side of the planet, the expectation of unquestioning enthusiasm takes a lot of gall.

You can blame voters all you want, but the party wasn’t failed by the voters. The voters were failed, repeatedly, over the course of decades, by a party that has no interest in ever actually representing them.

You were going to say that about anyone who didn’t agree with you about how great genocide is.

No.

Centrists lie when they claim to agree with progressives, as indicated by their legislative accomplishments: blocking progressive legislation and arming genocide.

You may agree with them on those points, but don’t pretend that centrists care about anything else at all because they just fucking don’t.

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liberals are comfortable trading the lives of innocent Palestinians to keep themselves safe and comfortable

And since they are liberals, they got nothing out of the trade. They were willing to lose to trump over saying no to netanyahu.

AT LEAST GAZA IS SAVED THOUGH :)

At least democrats didn’t have to abandon unconditional genocide support. At least they didn’t have to follow the Leahy law. They’ll make up every excuse under the sun to block progressive legislation, but straight up ignore the law to sell weapons for genocide.

Centrists do that when they know they have lost an argument. Dismissal and condescension.

Almost as much as protests voters helped Trump do all this.

Gee, if only there were some way democrats could have got those voters back on board. But they were too insignificant to matter until centrists needed someone to blame for the results of their unwillingness to represent people not named cheney or netanyahu.

When the electorate is polarized, you win by energizing your base to get more people to the polls. Abandoning your base one vulnerable group at a time not only fails to curry favor with the fascists that centrists desperately want to befriend, it also depresses turnout from your base as well. But since centrists like moving to the right and don’t want to stop, they treat their positions as sacrosanct and it is the voters who must capitulate. After all, our politicians capitulate by example so frequently.

If they were too insignificant to listen to, you don’t get to blame them. If they are significant enough to blame, they’re kingmakers and you should have been listening to them.

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You kept arguing for letting trump win.

That’s what genocide supporters kept calling any and all opposition to genocide.

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They heard that there were people to their left they hadn’t shat on yet.

Some of those ICE guys will, at some time, deeply regret what they agreed to do. And there’s no going back.

Only after their demographic is the next “then they came for.”