You claim Trump is the more genocidal candidate, yet he has seemingly put a stop to the Genocide. Curious.

Yes, exactly. One major party generally keeps their brutal oppression overseas, the other increases overseas oppression and also turns the trillion dollar military against the citizenry.

Ah yes, the Dems who definitely did not deport more people then the republicans and have been singing the song of “build the wall” since the 2000s? The “Secure Fence Act”? The dems who have always funded the police and increased their militarization. Those dems, who don’t “turn the military against the citizenry?”

the other increases overseas oppression

Really? Obama didn’t increase our engagement in Afghanistan? Didn’t bomb weddings? Biden didn’t commit a Genocide? Obama didn’t intervene in Libya? I don’t know what Dems you’re talking about, but the ones I know commit crimes, overseas and domestic.

“electoral influence” to choose what billionaires will continue to fund a 1 trillion dollar military and the brutal repression of the citizenry? wow. thats certainly too bad.

Sorry I don’t really get excited for Bernie “Bomb the Browns and Close The Borders” Sanders

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/252270-sanders-i-wouldnt-end-drone-program/

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/5209792-sanders-recognizes-trump-effort-on-border-fentanyl-nobody-thinks-illegal-immigration-is-appropriate/

Industrial output wasn’t important because number go up, it was important because it allowed the USSR to become the nation manufacturing most tractors by the late 30s, and it allowed the manufacturing of the rifles, tanks, planes, munitions and artillery that enabled the defeat of Nazism.

Critical support to FDR and the AFL and their joint venture of industrial policy to massively increase the United States industrial base to defeat the nazis?

If you still, after learning that, believe that the Soviets “collaborated with Nazism”, you simply have an anticommunist agenda, because that statement represents the opposite of what really happened in the 1930s Europe.

They literally worked together to carve up Poland and signed a Mutual Defense Pact with each other while the USSR supplied the Nazi regime with raw materials as part of their trade agreements. Everything else you’ve talked about is just Realpolitik.

The USSR was amazingly progressive in terms of diversity and respect of nationalities for its time, which is why each republic had the right to determine its own official language (see Ukrainian, Kazakh, Uzbek, Estonian, etc.), most books and newspapers in those republic were printed in the official language, people had a right to an education in their own language, and while Russian was encouraged as a língua franca, it was not generally imposed instead of smaller local languages.

I don’t disagree. Lenin was right about The National Question and the Soviet policy of Korenizatsiia (a theory of Stalins creation) was good. I will give you that, BUT Stalin reversed all of this with his mass deporations and genocide of Ukranians with the cultivation of the Soviet-Russian National Identity culminating in the inter-imperialist literally termed “Great Patriotic War”!

Please go through your comment history and tell me how many comments you have making it a point to talk about western power war crimes not as a tool to shit on the Soviet Union, but to actually criticise them.

4/15 of my comments are literally about criticizing a western powers crimes (although, not for WW2)!

Socialism is famously when you get almost total land redistribution among peasants in collective farms, yes, I don’t even see your point here.

Land reform is a petty-bourgeoisie demand culminating in the recreation of the capitalist social relation and the destruction of the Peasant class. Many capitalist countries have undergone the same transformation, just without the level of state interference and control the Soviet Union had. Just because the state manages the farms does not mean it is not capitalism as the fundamental mechanism of capital accumulation remains.

The 1929 collectivization drive was kicked together with the first 5-year economic plan of the Soviet Union, which drove a growth of 10%+ in economic output YEARLY during the following decade.

I didn’t know socialists were GDP-obsessed neoliberals here, socialism is good because it outpaces capitalism in GDP growth? How nice.

and they had 10 years to make up for it or they would be crushed. 10 years later, Nazis invaded the Soviet Union.

And five years before that, Stalin was collaborating with the Nazis. Strange.

If it hadn’t been for the industrial boom made possible by the rapid collectivization of agriculture, the Soviets would have lost to the Nazis, leading to the extermination of tens of millions of Eastern Europeans according to the Generalplan Ost, ideologically

And at the same Stalin was deporting millions as part of his policy of russification. Do you apologize for all the other Allied Powers war crimes during WW2 as well? Critical support to FDR and the USA war machine?

they were the consequence of lack of knowledge and of hurries to do the first successful complete collectivization of land of a nation in human history.

Socialism is when the government does stuff

Proletarians work for a wage, peasants do not. The undocumented immigrants on USA farms are proletarians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasant

Your main claim was that, the Soviet Union “collective” farming system caused famine; but in reality it was just the conversion from traditional feudal peasant farming to modern capitalist farming, entirely orchestrated by the state.

Modern farms are already “collectivized” and so your claim does not hold water or is at best accurate but completely irrelevant to the modern day.

The Democratic Party is the insidious great apologizer for Capital. The Democrat Party funds the wars, were the original kings of “mass deportation”, and have been the architects of numerous an austerity policy that has betrayed and immiserated the working class.

The Democratic Party is the more advanced villain, as they wrap their rhetoric in the language of moralism to make them immune to criticism from more “left wing” moralizers. Which is why many are stuck arguing to death in petty fights with the rhetoric of reform and moralism of the Left Wing of Capital while the republicans are more openly evil who are easy to dismiss and not argue with.

Only through recognizing both the Democratic and Republican party as institutions of class control will you ever make progress.

The Kolkhoz system in the Soviet Union is really not to dissimilar to modern farming practices.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkhoz

The system of petty/peasant farming is over. Successful farms are already “collectivized”, and hire farmhands to do the work.

https://www.epi.org/blog/how-many-farmworkers-are-employed-in-the-united-states/

Welcome back Karl Kautsky. Excited for World War 1?