The Atlantic has released the entire Signal chat among Trump senior national security officials. It shows that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth provided the exact times of warplane launches and when bombs would drop — before the men and women flying those attacks against Yemen's Houthis this month on
  • Nightwingdragon@lemmy.worldEnglish
    96·
    7 days ago

    Read the full transcript. There is so much more that is being overlooked besides the “war plans” that were leaked.

    • Joe Kent: “I will send you the unclass data we pulled on BAM shipping” This indicates that Kent knew that this conversation was classified and that at least some people in the chat were not privy to at least some level of classified information.

    • JD Vance: “I think messaging is going to be tough no matter what – nobody knows who the Houthis are – which is why we would need to stay focused on: 1) Biden failed & 2) Iran funded.”. He’s basically acknowledging what they’re doing is complete bullshit, but it won’t matter as long as they blame Biden for it.

    • JD Vance: “1) this leaks, and we look indecisive;”. I don’t even know what to say here.

    • Michael Waltz: “Per the president’s request we are working with DOD and State to determine how to compile the cost associated and levy them on the Europeans.”. In other words “We’re bombing Yemen, and Europe’s gonna pay for it.”

    • JD Vance: “I just hate bailing Europe out again.”. I think this is a highly under-reported line in this whole debacle. It shows that the US position on Europe isn’t just some political theater to appease Trump, but shows that the US (or at least, this administration’s) disdain for Europe is very, very real. This is the geopolitical equivalent of finding out your best friend tells everybody that you’re nothing but a freeloading loser when you’re not around. Even if it stays quiet, this line will not go unnoticed, and will have a huge impact on US/EU relations going forward.

    IMPORTANT EDIT: As I expected, these comments did not go unnoticed. European leaders are already rethinking their relationships with the US in response to not only this entire scandal, but also the specific comments made by JD Vance since it gives evidence of the true feelings of the Trump administration.

    • JD Vance: “And if there are things we can do upfront to minimize risk to Saudi oil facilities we should do it.”. Good to know where his priorities are. Gotta protect that Saudi oil. Innocent civillians? Fuck 'em. They’re not nearly as important as that sweet, sweet black gold.

    • Pete Hegseth: “VP: I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It’s PATHETIC.”. See above. This is going to have a huge damping effect on our relations with our European allies going forward, as it reinforces the fact that US disdain for Europe is real and not just political theater for cameras.

    So in other words, they’re bombing Yemen because Europeans are freeloaders, and if anybody asks why we’re even doing this just blame Biden.

    • Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world
      192·
      7 days ago

      European here: we did not ask for your help, we do not particularly want you to bomb the houthis (or anyone in the Middle East for that matter).

        • Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world
          2·
          7 days ago

          We would indeed prefer shipping to Suez. That’s why we deploy navy ships to the Red Sea. Doesn’t mean that we asked for this particular strike on Jemen (which as many already pointed out is unlikely to affect piracy much). You can’t say you do something for Europe when to my knowledge no European nation asked for this “aide”.

        • DrunkEngineer@lemmy.world
          5·
          7 days ago

          This bombing campaign won’t prevent missile attacks on shipping. If anything, it will further motivate ships to avoid the area.

  • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
    84·
    7 days ago

    I’m watching the hearing now. Democrats are ROASTING them and calling for their resignations, while Republicans are asking them about China and Mexico and praising their first months in position. It’s disgusting.

    The NSA explicitly advised them all against the use of Signal back in February, citing recent breaches of the platform by Russian hackers. Two of them were in Moscow at the time the strikes were communicated, one being Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence.

    Edit: The lottery assigned Judge Boasberg to their trial. It’s a good day.

  • WIZARD POPE💫@lemmy.world
    54·
    7 days ago

    Vance responded a minute later: “Excellent.” Thirty-five minutes after that, Ratcliffe, the CIA director, wrote, “A good start,” which Waltz followed with a text containing a fist emoji, an American-flag emoji, and a fire emoji.

    You cannot make this shit up

  • 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world
    473·
    7 days ago

    Signal itself is not vulnerable. This article needs to correct itself. Signal is only vulnerable if the DEVICE THAT USES IT is compromised. Using devices that can be compromised is the issue here. Do not use that device to discuss anything confidential if you are in the government.

    This is not Signal’s fault at all.

      • Hawke@lemmy.world
        10·
        7 days ago

        They are compromised, it doesn’t even matter if the software on their phones is too.

    • madeinthebackseat@lemmy.world
      8·
      7 days ago

      Tulsi only gave her device to Russian intelligence to install exclusive games not available in the US.

      I don’t see the issue here. Gabbard is known to be trustworthy. Let her play the cool games.

  • justsomeguy@lemmy.world
    7·
    7 days ago

    The problem doesn’t even seem to be the hacking but how easy it is to gain access to a chat. I didn’t look into how the editor got invited but think of how easy it is to get a random number invited to a signal group chat. It doesn’t take much social engineering to slip a number in there with this chaotic oh no wait DISRUPTIVE administration. No authentication required. Just send a mail to xXshitlord2006Xx@doge.boys with the text “Oy bro, send group invite”