Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand attacked Zohran Mamdani this week with Islamophobic falsehoods, later partially walking back the comments. It’s of a piece with Gillibrand’s indifference to the genocidal Israeli war that is increasingly outraging New Yorkers.
I’ll never understand the anti-other, Abrahamic religion people. They all worship the same god with the Christian having a bonus of Jesus add-on. “No, our version of Judaism is better!”
Yep. I’ve had both xtians and Jews take issue with me saying that xtianity started out as basically a sect of Jewish heretics. How else could it possibly even exist? It’s much the same with Islam.
Besides all the whatabouts and circular reasoning they employ, it’s not something you can really contest when both Islam and xtianity claim the “old” testament as the source that confirm their beliefs. Muslims claim that Muhammad is the final prophet in a lineage of, ahem, Jewish prophets…
It’s objectively true that neither Islam or xtianity would even exist without Judaism. I don’t understand xtians that contest this (I’m sure Muslims do, too, I’ve just never debated with any on this) - it must only come from a place of emotional attachment to their chosen lifestyle. The Jews that have argued with me over this seem to be taking issue with doctrine and where the forks are currently at.
But that’s how heresies work. Heresy literally means “choice”. At some point, things fork and drift. Languages fork. Beliefs, doctrines and traditions fork. In the world of software, things like UNIX fork (multiple times, and many adherents to one form of UNIX or another often joke about “heretics” that are using some fork of UNIX vs. another fork - but I’ve never seen anyone deny that, say, FreeBSD, wouldn’t exist without the original AT&T project).
It’s really hard to have a monopoly on ideas, even with massive amounts of violence behind those that don’t want anyone committing the heresy (choice) of going their own way…at some point, xtianity went through a reset, probably caused by the printing press, because some xtians claimed they were reading the original text themselves and disagreed with the Catholic take on that text. Those two groups - Catholics and Protestants - often accuse each other of not being “true” xtians, lol. Even more hilariously, many sects within the group called “Protestants” often accuse other Protestant sects of not being “true” xtians…
Buzzkills like me come along and remind all of these people that they started out as Jewish heretics and they don’t want to hear it…
I don’t know if you’ve seen this guy, but in case you haven’t, I think you’d enjoy it. He’s a religion historian:
https://www.youtube.com/@ReligionForBreakfast/videos
Thanks; I had not see him before, watching this after searching a bit on his channel…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDG5U0inNlE
I wonder how much this guy and Robert M. Price (“the Bible Geek”) have in common with one another…
What a great catch on that particular video. I’m pretty sure I hadn’t seen that one. I’m checking out the bible geek now, thanks.
On your edits: Absolutely, I strongly suggest staying away from Jehovah’s Witness conversations.
Yes, religiously and philosophically Muslims, Christians, and Jews should essentially be kindred spirits but nobody actually follows the core tenants like not murdering people
Actually, Jesus’ crucifixion fulfilled Moses’ laws of the Old Testament and created a New Covenant, but Christians don’t read their own book.🤷♂️
Lol sure thing bud
See, this is where the arguments come in. The holy book for all is pretty vague, and they kind of go with the times of the period one reads it and what religion (or non) you are. Jesus was Jewish and Christianity didn’t start until much later. Every single disciple and follower that Jesus knew, called themselves a Jew until they died. There was a lot of overlap.