Gas should be more expensive. Just look at all the new cars being sold that only get like 30 mpg, or our crumbling infrastucture because gas taxes are so low, or the impending climate catastrophe.
The two barriers to EV adoption for me is charge time and vehicle purchase cost. If they made the batteries go from zero to full in the same time as it takes to fill a gas tank, and they brought the price way down so its the same as a combustion vehicle, id be first in line.
If they made the batteries go from zero to full in the same time as it takes to fill a gas tank
I’d argue we effectively do have this, or close enough. Obviously I’d always want better but
normally time doesn’t matter: plug in overnight and it’s always full by morning. Then it’s more of an infrastructure problem in that not everyone has a place to plug in
on a trip, at a trip charger, my cars trip planning only asks 10-15 minutes of charging to stay on the steep part of the charging curve. If you use the restrooms, you’re almost there
brought the price way down
We can and should have that now. Prices are getting closer to parity so a few more years with incentives would have done it. Or, if we got rid of protectionism and allowed competition, we’d be well past cost parity
If they made the batteries go from zero to full in the same time as it takes to fill a gas tank
You really don’t need this though. How long is your car sitting idle when you’re at work or at home? Most people can just charge overnight and would never have to go to a charging station. Assuming you have access to an electrical outlet near your car, of course.
Every other month (and sometimes every month), i do a five-hour one way drive. Occasionally, i drive 11+ hours one way. Several times in my life, Ive driven from one side of the US to the other (pacific coast to east side of the Midwest – took three days of 12+ hour driving). I want to be able to do those things in my own car at the drop of a hat, and I dont want to add hours upon hours of sitting at a charging station onto these already long trips.
My state capitol is about 4.5 hours away by car – about 300 miles. Seems like that would be a close shave in the average EV.
Here’s the problem with EV proponents: “the problem isnt the mediocre EV tech – the problem is Fudgy’s requirements and expectations for a vehicle.” And that’s almost enough to make a fella be anti-EV for the sake of being anti-EV. Im not there yet, but im close.
300 miles was almost a full tank of gas for me in my ICE car. If you’re driving that far for that long all at once, you should probably take a half hour to stretch your legs and walk around a little anyways. Or we could improve inter-city train networks so you wouldn’t have to drive at all.
See what I mean? First it’s “you dont need that” and then it’s “you shouldnt drive like that.” The drivers and their wants and needs are the problem, not the lesser products that are being pushed by EV makers.
No thanks. I’ll buy ICE and/or hybrid cars until they make a full EV that meets my wants and needs.
Train networks cost a shit ton of money. Not happening in my corner or travel corridor in the US in my lifetime.
Maybe you should just accept the fact that you have a very unusual driving pattern and understand that general advice doesn’t apply to you specifically.
Most people would be absolutely fine recharging an electric car overnight. If you know that doesn’t apply to you, maybe don’t be so offended when someone says that it’s fine or even better for the average person.
So the problem exists in that you suggest gas should be more expensive. If you scan back, that’s where I jumped into the convo. I jumped into the convo because I inferred that to mean that it would force people into EVs.
Your solution of me shutting the fuck up, continues the conundrum of the would-be consumer just having to adapt their habits to the product.
Most people would be fine in a cloth interior ford fiesta with manual windows and a white exterior. Given the choice, most people choose vehicles that fit their wants and needs. As most people continue to do when it comes to EV adoption.
I prefer a system that allows me to choose which product I want based on my wants and needs, not a system where a lesser product is pushed on the consumer by raising the price on X.
That’s literally how we got to this conversation. Im not offended that you want an authoritarian approach to EV adoption. I object and I think youre wrong, but im not offended by it. And if I inferred incorrectly, please let me know and I will cheerfully withdraw any comments that suggest you had implied that we should raise gas prices to force EV adoption.
Lots of people agree with Greg Mankiw, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Bush, that gas should be more expensive.
Gas should be more expensive: look at typical prices in the rest of the world
Gas should be more expensive. Just look at all the new cars being sold that only get like 30 mpg, or our crumbling infrastucture because gas taxes are so low, or the impending climate catastrophe.
The two barriers to EV adoption for me is charge time and vehicle purchase cost. If they made the batteries go from zero to full in the same time as it takes to fill a gas tank, and they brought the price way down so its the same as a combustion vehicle, id be first in line.
I’d argue we effectively do have this, or close enough. Obviously I’d always want better but
We can and should have that now. Prices are getting closer to parity so a few more years with incentives would have done it. Or, if we got rid of protectionism and allowed competition, we’d be well past cost parity
You really don’t need this though. How long is your car sitting idle when you’re at work or at home? Most people can just charge overnight and would never have to go to a charging station. Assuming you have access to an electrical outlet near your car, of course.
Every other month (and sometimes every month), i do a five-hour one way drive. Occasionally, i drive 11+ hours one way. Several times in my life, Ive driven from one side of the US to the other (pacific coast to east side of the Midwest – took three days of 12+ hour driving). I want to be able to do those things in my own car at the drop of a hat, and I dont want to add hours upon hours of sitting at a charging station onto these already long trips.
My state capitol is about 4.5 hours away by car – about 300 miles. Seems like that would be a close shave in the average EV.
Here’s the problem with EV proponents: “the problem isnt the mediocre EV tech – the problem is Fudgy’s requirements and expectations for a vehicle.” And that’s almost enough to make a fella be anti-EV for the sake of being anti-EV. Im not there yet, but im close.
300 miles was almost a full tank of gas for me in my ICE car. If you’re driving that far for that long all at once, you should probably take a half hour to stretch your legs and walk around a little anyways. Or we could improve inter-city train networks so you wouldn’t have to drive at all.
See what I mean? First it’s “you dont need that” and then it’s “you shouldnt drive like that.” The drivers and their wants and needs are the problem, not the lesser products that are being pushed by EV makers.
No thanks. I’ll buy ICE and/or hybrid cars until they make a full EV that meets my wants and needs.
Train networks cost a shit ton of money. Not happening in my corner or travel corridor in the US in my lifetime.
Maybe you should just accept the fact that you have a very unusual driving pattern and understand that general advice doesn’t apply to you specifically.
Most people would be absolutely fine recharging an electric car overnight. If you know that doesn’t apply to you, maybe don’t be so offended when someone says that it’s fine or even better for the average person.
So the problem exists in that you suggest gas should be more expensive. If you scan back, that’s where I jumped into the convo. I jumped into the convo because I inferred that to mean that it would force people into EVs.
Your solution of me shutting the fuck up, continues the conundrum of the would-be consumer just having to adapt their habits to the product.
Most people would be fine in a cloth interior ford fiesta with manual windows and a white exterior. Given the choice, most people choose vehicles that fit their wants and needs. As most people continue to do when it comes to EV adoption.
I prefer a system that allows me to choose which product I want based on my wants and needs, not a system where a lesser product is pushed on the consumer by raising the price on X.
That’s literally how we got to this conversation. Im not offended that you want an authoritarian approach to EV adoption. I object and I think youre wrong, but im not offended by it. And if I inferred incorrectly, please let me know and I will cheerfully withdraw any comments that suggest you had implied that we should raise gas prices to force EV adoption.