You’ve got to be a right wing troll. I’ll say it one more time, I very much support saving the Palestinian people but I don’t believe for one second that Chuck Shumer would do anything about their current horrible conditions.
No, he wouldn’t. But Trump has very much made their previous horrible conditions worse.
But the increased level of Palestinian deaths doesn’t matter - you have to justify your decision to enable the murder of Palestinians to yourself by any means necessary. After all, otherwise you might feel bad, and that’s worse than any number of dead Palestinians.
I’ve got to ask, what is your goal in attacking my position? Are you trying to change my mind? Are you trying to convince others to take your position? If yes to either, how effective do you believe your strategy has been?
My goal is to emphasize that murdering more people out of some pathetic sense of self-righteousness is, itself, fucking murderous, and that what is peddled as moral purity is literally enabling genocide and fascism out of a petty and bizarre sense of self-aggrandizement.
The fucking fact of the matter is, the 2024 election is over. There is no ‘redo’. Millions of Palestinians are going to die, and a significant percentage of them are going to die directly because of the increased level of support given to Israel by Trump.
My goal in pointing this out is the slim, slim chance that maybe one person who sees this, too used to getting asspatted for enabling genocide, might be shaken enough by it being pointed out that they effectively enabled the literal fucking Nazis by inaction to not let delusions of moral purity let the literal fucking Nazis win the next time an issue like this comes up.
Fuck’s sake. Imagine if there’s a fucking civil war in this country and purists decide they’d rather let the Nazis win than work with the dreaded shitlibs. There are, unfortunately, ample examples of just that happening during civil wars.
But hey, let’s cultivate the attitude of “If there are only two, unequally bad choices available, rather than choose the less bad option, choose the worse one out of spite!”, what the fuck could go wrong, eh?
If you really care about the Palestinians then why not try to pull people to your side rather than doing the equivalent to a “thoughts and prayers” post that won’t change anyone’s mind?
I care about the Palestinian people. Unfortunately, the last chance we Americans had to make a serious difference in how many of them were going to die going forward was in November 2024, and we, the American people, said, as a supermajority, that we either didn’t care if more died going forward, or that we supported it. A minority of around 1/3 of us said we would like Palestinian murder to not escalate.
There is no ‘pulling people to my side’ for Palestine at this point. I can (and do) donate to humanitarian orgs and point out that Israel is committing genocide, but my strongest period of influence is over, and failed.
All I can do is try to remind people of the fucking horror of enabling more Palestinian deaths because you didn’t get your way in the hopes that the next time a crisis like this happens people might take the less-bad option instead of the worse one.
Well I voted for Kamala if that makes anyone feel better. It’s just that I’ve been following the plight of the Palestinians for far longer than it’s been popular and I’ve been forced to watch as every single US president has stood at a podium and pledge fealty to Isreal without exception. Joe Biden delayed a single weapons shipment to Isreal one time and it was only delayed by a week. There have been reports that the delay was logistical and the Biden statement was just a political move that simply took political advantage of the delay. Either way, the status quo will guarantee death to the people who need our help the most. I understated what you’re saying when you state Trump is accelerating the destruction. I also understand that the approach to minimize the damage by voting the lesser of two evils will also lead to democracy sliding into fascism.
How many times can you ask someone to vote the lesser of two evils when every cycle they find they still only have two evils from witch to choose?
I’ve been the vote blue guy and at this point it’s hard to ignore that voting evils (even if lesser) still continues our slide into evil.
Break the system, fix the system or change the system but vote blue no matter who only >SOMETIMES< delays death but it doesn’t ever stop it. Maybe you’re young enough where you haven’t done the same thing over and over but I’m telling you, it never actually changes anything. At least, not for those without power in the middle east.
No, he wouldn’t. But Trump has very much made their previous horrible conditions worse.
But the increased level of Palestinian deaths doesn’t matter - you have to justify your decision to enable the murder of Palestinians to yourself by any means necessary. After all, otherwise you might feel bad, and that’s worse than any number of dead Palestinians.
My goal is to emphasize that murdering more people out of some pathetic sense of self-righteousness is, itself, fucking murderous, and that what is peddled as moral purity is literally enabling genocide and fascism out of a petty and bizarre sense of self-aggrandizement.
The fucking fact of the matter is, the 2024 election is over. There is no ‘redo’. Millions of Palestinians are going to die, and a significant percentage of them are going to die directly because of the increased level of support given to Israel by Trump.
My goal in pointing this out is the slim, slim chance that maybe one person who sees this, too used to getting asspatted for enabling genocide, might be shaken enough by it being pointed out that they effectively enabled the literal fucking Nazis by inaction to not let delusions of moral purity let the literal fucking Nazis win the next time an issue like this comes up.
Fuck’s sake. Imagine if there’s a fucking civil war in this country and purists decide they’d rather let the Nazis win than work with the dreaded shitlibs. There are, unfortunately, ample examples of just that happening during civil wars.
But hey, let’s cultivate the attitude of “If there are only two, unequally bad choices available, rather than choose the less bad option, choose the worse one out of spite!”, what the fuck could go wrong, eh?
I care about the Palestinian people. Unfortunately, the last chance we Americans had to make a serious difference in how many of them were going to die going forward was in November 2024, and we, the American people, said, as a supermajority, that we either didn’t care if more died going forward, or that we supported it. A minority of around 1/3 of us said we would like Palestinian murder to not escalate.
There is no ‘pulling people to my side’ for Palestine at this point. I can (and do) donate to humanitarian orgs and point out that Israel is committing genocide, but my strongest period of influence is over, and failed.
All I can do is try to remind people of the fucking horror of enabling more Palestinian deaths because you didn’t get your way in the hopes that the next time a crisis like this happens people might take the less-bad option instead of the worse one.
Well I voted for Kamala if that makes anyone feel better. It’s just that I’ve been following the plight of the Palestinians for far longer than it’s been popular and I’ve been forced to watch as every single US president has stood at a podium and pledge fealty to Isreal without exception. Joe Biden delayed a single weapons shipment to Isreal one time and it was only delayed by a week. There have been reports that the delay was logistical and the Biden statement was just a political move that simply took political advantage of the delay. Either way, the status quo will guarantee death to the people who need our help the most. I understated what you’re saying when you state Trump is accelerating the destruction. I also understand that the approach to minimize the damage by voting the lesser of two evils will also lead to democracy sliding into fascism. How many times can you ask someone to vote the lesser of two evils when every cycle they find they still only have two evils from witch to choose?
I’ve been the vote blue guy and at this point it’s hard to ignore that voting evils (even if lesser) still continues our slide into evil. Break the system, fix the system or change the system but vote blue no matter who only >SOMETIMES< delays death but it doesn’t ever stop it. Maybe you’re young enough where you haven’t done the same thing over and over but I’m telling you, it never actually changes anything. At least, not for those without power in the middle east.
Ps. It’s not me down voting you.