• phx@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    I see the issue here less as “the kids get nothing” and more a concern at where they money ends up.

    Houses get massively inflated over time… Older parents sell, but the money all ends up at some retirement home. Retirement homes are owned by a bunch of hedge funds and/or rich folk. Staff at these places often aren’t paid particularly well either.

    The end result is still higher prices for everyone else, while the rich folk get richer as everything rises into unaffordabilty.

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      4 days ago

      I also see it as a problem of the economy. Their kid, will never be able to afford that house. He will never be able to live in a house like that again. He also got royally screwed.

      Home ownership is a luxury. Reality is being stuck renting. Renting is preventing upwards mobility.

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    5 days ago

    The parents job of providing is up until either 18 or 21 if college is involved, get your own house after that entitled little fucks 😅

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      An important thing to consider if we have any chance at shifting the trajectory of shelter insecurity (abolishing property would be better but we can do taxes way more easily). One thing I’d be worried about is any elderly people who wouldn’t be able to afford to pay the property tax to live in their own home. This happens all the time already, and god knows most of them don’t live in a place where property tax raises proportionately to the land value, and we should consider why that’s a problem.

      The elderly are already in a massive blindspot in popular pro-socialized healthcare discourses, and even “developed” healthcare systems struggle to find support and housing for people as they age. If we start using these sorts of indirect eviction tactics as a means of transferring wealth to the younger middle class via affordable property ownership, many of those people will straight up be displaced into deadly living conditions. I can imagine how this sort of system would make us more vulnerable to the state as we ourselves aged.

      Policies like these could easily be used to divert attention from other socialized programs and services that could be improved in a way that generates greater material security more generally, but whose effects would be less immediately apparent to the kinds of people who could even afford an inexpensive house.

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        Add the tax but use some of the money to build a shit ton of government housing like the UK did after WWII. Their housing problems only started after they stopped building subsidized housing and started relying on the market (lots of other factors, too, but there is a strong correlation on the timing here).

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          Yes, that is what I’m saying. When I say that this idea of a property tax that is oriented toward increased property value exclusively runs the risk of satisfying more affluent young middle-class people who are really just expressing aggrieved entitlement to the way of life that their parents and grandparents enjoyed.

          A common liberal tactic to disarm broader wealth distribution and social welfare movements is to satiate an element of their criticisms for a substantially powerful group within that movement. Think about how the New Deal disproportionately benefitted white labourers and effectively dissuaded broader socialist and anticapitalist sentiments that had grown in the previous decades, or how queer marriage rights afforded security to property-owning gay men who are now the most conservative-voting queer demographic.

          That there is such a risk of victimizing vulnerable elderly people, a group that has BTW been increasingly devalued since COVID started, means that if this policy satisfies enough voters specifically – which is to say suburbanites – it could effectively disarm the accompanying reforms that recognize the interlinked issues of shelter unaffordability and insecurity, healthcare services, education, and food insecurity while simultaneously normalizing policies that disproportionately harm specific groups. Programs exactly like what you referenced here were eroded by those same means, and the luxury of suburban home ownership itself was an immenseley effective tactic in disarming labour unions in the mid-twentieth-century US.

      • GirthBrooksPLO@lemmy.world
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        I agree that the elderly are often overlooked in this discussion since so much of the housing discourse revolves around boomers that own property and outright dismissing the fact that a large contingent of them are rolling right into infirmity with just about no retirement.

        I think nursing homes are going to have to function differently in the coming years to accommodate this, and it’s not going to be easy. Breaking apart the current health"care" bureaucracy will free up a lot of medical staff to practice actual medicine rather than just push insurance paperwork, but the lack of people overall will require leveraging of technology to fill the gap. Technology that is currently being used to burn up our aging infrastructure for the benefit of the Epstein class.

        The next few years are going to be filled with grueling work just to ensure we don’t have collapse of social order.

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    Rather than setting up a reliable inheritance structure, my Silent Gen parents set my brother and me up as joint tenants. The reason, they told me, was “to make it hard to sell the house.” Well, my stepdad left the place a hoarder mess worthy of reality TV, and we still had very little trouble getting a decent chunk of change.

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      God forbid parents do better than the bare minimum when committing to one of the biggest decisions in a human beings life.

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      You do realize that generational wealth has been a thing forever right? You’re not making some amazing gotcha point here.

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    Id just count my blessings that my parents can take care of themselves in retirement and beyond and not have to count on family to come in and take care of them, which is an unfortunate truth for a lot of families in the states.

    I dont expect shit, and it almost seems morally bankrupt to expect a generational handout. You get something or you dont, thats life.

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      I agree with your point with the corollary that if they make that choice, they had better not come knocking on my door if they run into trouble.

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    I refused offers to emigrate years ago, the people trying to sell me the idea think I’m better off there… use my brains for the money.

    Now, looking at what’s going on, I think my hunches were right, but nonetheless each day I watch the horror continuing to unfold in America.

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      My parents received a lot o financial support in order to afford to buy an apartment for our family.

      Neither my sister, nor myself has received similar financial support to buy a place to live in.

      My parents instead live in a gigantic place they don’t use fully, and own several houses and apartments they rent out for profit. Of course none the real estate they own is anywhere near myself or my sister’s family. They also love to go on fancy expensive vacations all the time and complain about the younger generations. Of course they also get pensions from the companies they used to work for. Something that just doesn’t exist anymore.

      There’s a lot of overlap between generational and class war.

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        But this is your personal experience. There are a shit ton of boomers that are amazing and give their kids hand ups. It’s the system that is broken. Weren’t the proud boys mostly millennials? They were probably living off their parents. Gen Xers are never really shit on anymore because there isn’t enough of them to give an opinion. I can say though, there are a fucking ton of shitty gen xers too.

        It’s a class war that built this system, not a generational war.

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      It can be both. Some generations have a higher percentage of shitty people. The obscenely wealthy have always been shitty. AND Boomer’s grew up in circumstances where they were able to get/do whatever they wanted. Now the only way to do that is to shit all over their children. The Boomer’s parents sacrificed a lot to give them a better life without having to worry about how they got there. The Boomers in turn believe they deserve and are entitled to everything they want and their children can fend for themselves.

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    My mom never bought a house. Never could. And we were “boomers”. When she died all she had to her name was a beater car. Got that, but true to its beater nature, it has been down for repairs the last couple years

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    On the bright side, we have apartments full of advanced electronics and consumer products. Back then they had houses with thin walls, a library, and a record player. In order to have a bearable existence, I don’t need as much space as they did.