In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the administration would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars of funds that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, those three people said.

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    As I recall, it was important to punish the Biden administration for their role in assisting Israel.

    As it turns out, there are severe consequences to ignoring absolutely every warning that Trump would be worse.

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      Although not voting was the wrong move, It’s important to hold the democrats accountable imo. They essentially lost the election because they considered genocide more important then their consituents.

      The fact is that Gazas fate would have been the same under both party. The way forward is to demand change from the democratic party to avoid such scenarios. Blaming voters implies it wasnt the democrats at fault in the first place for pushing apathy and genocide as their main platform. Even worse, it implies genocide somehow shouldnt be a voting issue.

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        The hell it would have. To say that the fate of Gaza would have been the same is absolute horseshit.

        Democrats lost the election because a bunch of shitheel Muricans decided to stay home.

        It’s our fault and fuck y’all for trying to blame Democrats for not inspiring people to protect marginalized groups.

        Dems suck but so does the general population that refuses to take any responsibility for their part in making this happen.

        If you need a god damn politician to inspire you to think beyond yourself, you fuckin suck and are trash.

        Over it.

        Edit: I’m not responding to any more of you kids who are trying to justify sitting on your asses. None of you have helped save a single Palestinian life.

        You’re just spoiled Americunts who think you’re superheroes for doing nothing

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          You’re rewriting history. People stayed home because they refused to vote for genocide, and that’s what Democrats offered unapologetically. You don’t get to blame the voter for not choosing between genocide or genocide plus, you’re not morally superior for voting for Harris.

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            Yes I do. And yes I am.

            You said “I don’t care what the trolley does because this test isn’t moral”

            The rest of us actually made a choice.

            Get fucked. You helped put my trans son in danger and I don’t fuck with ANY of you fucks cosplaying as revolutionaries.

            You’re children.

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              Quit using your trans son as an excuse, you supported a pro-genocide party because you were willing to trade the lives of innocent palestinians to secure your own security and comfort.

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                Quit assuming literally everyone who voted blue loooooves genocide.

                I’m sorry you don’t have a sense of nuance in your life. Must be easy having a black and white existence.

                Get fucked, kid.

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                  Quit assuming literally everyone who voted blue loooooves genocide.

                  When people stop saying you’re a fool for being a “single issue voter” against genocide and that Harris had to support genocide to win, I will.

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      Nazis wanted to kill them all, not move them further away. It’s of course a shitty thing to do, but I’m getting kinda annoyed by how often people use nazis as an example for something when they were far more evil than anything that exists today, essentially downplaying or borderline normalizing nazis because of how commonly it’s now used for real life examples.

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        This is false. The Nazis originally planned to deport the Jews. They changed to extermination once their deportation plans stopped being practical. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan#Plan_abandoned

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        Once planning for Operation Barbarossa commenced, Hitler asked Himmler to draft a new plan for the elimination of the Jews of Europe, and Himmler passed along the task to Heydrich. His draft proposed the deportation of the Jews to the Soviet Union via Poland.[36] The later Generalplan Ost (General Plan for the East), prepared by Professor Konrad Meyer and others, called for deporting the entire population of occupied Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union to Siberia, either for use as slave labour or to be murdered after the Soviet defeat. The plan hinged on the rapid defeat of the Soviet forces.[37] Once it became apparent that the war against the Soviet Union would drag on much longer than expected, Heydrich revised his plans to concentrate on the Jewish population then under Nazi control. Since transporting masses of people into a combat zone would be impossible, Heydrich decided that the Jews would be killed in extermination camps set up in occupied areas of Poland.[38] The total number of Jews murdered during the resulting Holocaust is estimated at 5.5 to 6 million people.[39]

        In other words, by focusing on the end point of the Holocaust and ignoring its starting point YOU are normalizing nazi-like plans that have every potential to escalate.

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          …dude, I literally talked about what happened, not what was theoretized. Do you have any idea how brutally evil things have US or other countries theoretized? Thinking and doing are two very, VERY different things. Didn’t know this needs explaining.

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            I responded to what you actually wrote:

            Nazis wanted to kill them all, not move them further away. […]

            You described intent, i.e., “thinking”.

            🙄

            PS. Genocide is not a single event in time, it’s a process. An easy way to educate yourself on the matter is by searching YouTube for interviews of Omer Bartov, world renowned Israeli scholar on Genocide and the Holocaust, prof at Brown.

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              I mean, they were doing it and would have finished doing it if it wasn’t for a world war, so definitely not just thinking

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                This is also false. The mass killings started in the middle of 1941 after the invasion of the Soviet Union. The systematic policy of extermination was decided in January 1942 in the Wannsee Conference.

                There was quite a lot of thinking before doing. And there was quite a lot of doing smaller steps before doing bigger steps. Just like there was quite a lot of thinking smaller steps before thinking bigger steps.

                Give it a rest buddy, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

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                  Says I’m false

                  Proceeds to tell me I’m true.

                  Look buddy who knows it all, when Israel actually decides to kill those million Palestinians instead of moving them, get back to me abd I’ll apologize for my ignorant statements, but as of things stand now, I cannot take you seriously when you push for extreme comparisons while nit-picking how it all started.

                  Your argument somewhat reminded me of the “weed is a getaway drug to stronger drugs” argument. No, that’s not always the case.