Yep and look at this thread, more than half the commenters (heavily upvoted) seem to think that all Trump voters are deeply hateful white supremacist Nazis that are incapable of change when that ain’t reality. Sure, you can sneer at them, shout at them, deride them - feel superior because you figured it all out sooner. And that would continue letting Russia’s investments dividing America (via online propaganda farms, assisting Trump in the 2016 election, and ongoing payments to right wing figureheads like Tim Poole, Tucker Carlson, Dave Rubin, Lauren Southern) be the best money and time they ever invested.
If you think ‘its not my job’ well, bad news is you will either convince these people verbally with a compassionate ear and tone, or (best case) keep seeing your best future stripped from you or (worst case) meet them on the battlefield in some civil war 2 or other violent civil clash.
Throw away the black and white thinking shit. Sure, there are lots of hardcore Trump voters that are deeply conservative, love Project 2025, and are just fine with fascism. However, a huge proportion of Trump voters are just ‘low-information voters’ that have been brought up in conservative households and voted Trump because they didn’t think much about it. Many further are dumbasses that knew the US was a mess and wanted political ‘change’ but were political laymen and were grifted by multiple dozens of RW media figures & orgs (which are just the default shit on tv in many states) into believing Trump will bring his promised change for the better.
If some of them are waking up to the con now then that’s a gift horse that you shouldn’t look in the mouth. They are perfectly positioned to be pushed farther along with more knowledge - you can show them the left wing rabbit hole while they have a more open mind, or some brainwashed racist can show them a different rabbit hole about “(((globalists)))” that may lead them to a become even worse enemies.
As soon as they kept supporting him after the “grab them by the pussy” tape, they revealed what hateful bigots they all were. Just because they get dissatisfied with their cult leader doesn’t mean they stop being hateful bigots.
Also the dissent has already been stopped. They have fallen back into line, like the goosestepping nazis they are.
Gosh your country is a mess. Is it still “plain popcorn” time or should I get the fancier caramel and peanut kind?
MAGA is imploding
lol… no it isn’t.
So make the same mistake the Union did after the civil war and don’t hold traitors accountable. That just lead us to the mess we’re in now, fuck that.
I can’t stand magats, but if you find common ground then it’s a case of “the enemy of my enemy” is my friend. Not going to lie, it’s really, really hard to do. You don’t have to like them, you don’t have to be their friend, but kindly encourage them to betray their cult so the rest of us can steer the ship back on course when they go into complete disarray. Even simply telling them, “You are seeing you have been lied too” becomes a little ear wig . Yes, you’ll want to throw up a little bit in your mouth just talking to them, but every bit helps. And if they get mad and start magat’ing out, just walk way.
Or just pile on. “Oh, this is where you draw the line? Not when they cut medicaid to millions? Not when they deported American citizens?”
Could go on but y’all already know the list…
I just saw, probably on Lemmy The Far Right Contagion, offering the explanation that many of the people turning to far-right movements around the world don’t necessarily hold far-right beliefs, and often oppose far-right policies. Instead, they feel abandoned by the current system and will align with nearly any movement promising to dismantle it.
If another movement makes them feel heard and offers solutions to their problems, it’s very likely to be able to redirect that momentum. Assuming it’s a better movement (and it would be hard to do worse), that’s a win for humanity. We won’t get there by branding everyone who got sucked into a far-right movement as an enemy for life.
That’s not to suggest that any person is wrong to be angry at someone who voted to hurt them, but is holding on to that anger more important than a better future?
No.
They’ve had 10 years of leftists explaining to them that Trump is a nazi and a child rapist. They always knew. They made their choice.
If they’ve had a genuine change of heart, I suppose that’s one thing. But most of them have not. They still believe all the same horrible shit they did before, they’ve just stopped liking Trump as much. And even if they HAVE had a change of heart, they need to atone for all the suffering they’ve caused before they can expect to be accepted on the left.
They still believe all the same horrible shit they did before, they’ve just stopped liking Trump as much.
That’s the bottom line. Anything they don’t care deeply about doesn’t matter. When it affects the personally or violates their deeply held beliefs, suddenly a moment of clarity. They have zero empathy.
yep. words are cheap, especially words from this crowd. If they want to show how they’ve changed, CHANGE. Become better people. Support your community, all of it, not just the white christian segment. Gather your cohort and make the world better, then come back and ask for forgiveness.
… they still don’t support minorities and marginalized communities. Why should they be welcomed with open arms?
Getting then way from the constant propaganda machine is a first step towards what may not be a full 360, but at least potentially realizing that the ones they’ve been trained to hate are just a scapegoat for those who have really been fucking them (and everyone else) over.
They don’t have empathy unless it specifically happens to them. They didn’t learn a lesson, they’re not capable of learning this kind of lesson.
they were still racist, selfish, stupid, hatemongers.
all that changed is that their pedo leader was a pedo leader
Hit the downvote button now. I’m OK with it. But this needs to be said.
As of my writing, there are 32 comments in this thread, and they’re almost all shining examples of why Democrats will lose the next election.
People keep saying that those on the right need to leave the GOP and start voting in their own best interests. And then when they do, those on the left take an absolute shit all over them. Liz Cheney tried helping Kamala Harris in her campaign, and people acted as if Harris suddenly adopted all of Cheney’s shitty ideas. All Cheney was trying to do was tell people “Hey, we don’t have to agree on policy, but we can both agree that Trump is unfit for office.”. We just saw another attempt at passing a bipartisan bill that was solely meant to at least try to rein in some of Trump’s power, and people on this site took a dump on it because it had Republican support. Why the fuck would anyone on the right even try to change when all it would result in is getting shit on and ostracized from both parties? You’re not going to get them to abandon MAGA that way. Why would they abandon MAGA when you’re just going to turn around and treat them just as badly? All you’re going to do is cause them to dig in their heels and MAGA even harder.
And this is the part that’s gonna cause everyone to hit the downvote button, if they haven’t already.
All 50 states shifted to the right in the last election, to some degree or another. And you think that pushing to the left even harder is going to get those people back? If they were interested in extreme left policies, they wouldn’t have shifted to the right in the first place. Pushing hard left after the results of 2024 is only going to make 2028 look like an even bigger embarrassment. Democrats are going to have to give up some ground if they intend to win in 2028. No, I’m not saying we need to give ICE any credibility or that Trump’s immigration policies are in any way acceptable, but it probably does mean that overall immigration policy will have to be tougher than it was pre-Trump. This could be in the form of immediate deportation for convicted criminals, stricter asylum policies, etc. Trump’s tariffs obviously have to go, but maybe forcing NATO to contribute more to their own defense isn’t such a bad idea. But the idea that we can win in 2028 by pushing hard left after the electorate shifted to the right is a great way to ensure we lose even harder next time. Reasonable concessions are going to have to be made if you’re going to win back any of the centrists that voted for Trump. If they were interested in extreme left policies, they’d have voted for them the first time. There are exactly zero voters in this country who said “You know, Harris’ policies weren’t progressive enough for my liking, so I’m going to vote for someone on the extreme right instead”.
This is just reality. If Democrats have a chance of winning in 2028, they’re going to have to make some concessions to get centrists back on their side. And yes, this also means taking the opportunity to work with Republicans on what little common ground may exist when the opportunity arises. You can’t simultaneously take a giant shit on them while also wondering why they don’t vote for you. Again, this doesn’t mean that we have to cheer on ICE, enshrine DOGE as an actual department of the government, or invade Greenland. But concessions are going to have to be made.
Yes, make concessions to actual fucking Nazis. That’s never backfired before.
Stand your ground and when they try to take that too make them shed blood to take it.
Stand your ground and when they try to take that too make them shed blood to take it.
Go ahead, Rambo. Nobody’s stopping you.
You’re acting like this person can’t possibly have put their money where their mouth is, but many of us have in fact done that. Lots of people fight fascists, often in the most literal sense. You’re just a coward.
I’d rather die emulating Rambo than Neville Chamberlain.
Nazis do not compromise. They pray on your unwillingness to fight back, and take what they want until you do.
Again, nobody’s stopping you.
someone else can offer that to disenfranchised MAGA, im just gonna be mean to them
Nah I don’t feel like having you traitors on my side, fuck You.
Why do people like this guy always put tbe onus for reconciliation on the victims? If someone voted against humanity for years, and treated me and mine like garbage, why is it up to me to extend the olive branch?
If these fucking dipshits decide to vote for non-Republicans, that’s great, but it has fuck all to do with me. I’m in no way responsible for luring them back to humanity one painful step at a time.
Yeah seriously. I want an apology and a promise.
Their beliefs didn’t change, just their views on one politician.
They’re dead to me forever, irredeemable and beyond hope. I will absolutely never forgive them or welcome them back no matter how much they “change”.
Honestly I don’t even see them as people anymore, they’re subhuman trash and I wish them all the suffering the universe can give them.Elon has it right. No I don’t support that piece of shit but yes I support the progressives breaking off and starting a real party, not that shit Green Party.
