I am volunteering at my local DSA chapter to try to affect positve change in the direction of my views. So, what steps are you taking in the real world to make real change in the US?
It is great to have ideals, but if all you do is talk about how, “X is not possible and we actually need to do Y”, you discredit those who are actually putting in effort to make a change and discourage people from even trying.
I am actively engaging in a political party that seeks a departure from the US and NATO. It uses populist policies to polarize and at the same time weakens the far right by drawing from their ranks with said populist rhetoric and policies.
We are doing what we can, but to topple any government, conditions first have to worsen.
As I’ve said before the best we can basically do is stoke the flames until the right conditions arise for real change.
My issue is not with people trying to act. It’s with people who act wrong either out of malice or just ignorance. That is what reform is. Capitalism has never been overthrown via reform and never will be now. Liberals are too brainwashed to realise that capitalism needs to be overthrown for any meaningful lasting change, so instead they act to feed it, thinking they can reform it into being good. Something which is not possible, as it goes against it’s structure and ideals.
I am actively engaging in a political party that seeks a departure from the US and NATO.
Lol. Of course you are.
capitalism needs to be overthrown
I’ll wait for you to explain what it will be replaced with and how that will work. I’m not exactly in love with capitalism, but I think a heavily regulated capitalism is the best we can do at this point in human history.
You sound like a Libertarian. Grand ideals. No follow through.
That would be accelerationism. The attached link might not completely match your views, but what you described aligns with it.
I was considering adopting this ideology during the presidential election and either voting for trump or not at all, but I decided against it. Adopting this view means you are discounting the sheer amount of human suffering that would be involved in the process because, “The ends justify the means.”
Yes there is suffering right now, I am not discounting that. If you care about people, I would recommend taking the slow route of reform that will get us to a better place with enough time and effort.
You cannot deny that progress has been made over the last 100 years. It may not be much, but life is much better than it used to be for a lot of people. Not to say life is good, just to say we have been SLOWLY stepping forward.
The fact of the matter is that humans will suffer and die, no matter what you do.
Accelerating will kill and harm less people in the long run. It’s a simple math equation of having more people suffer now for a shorter amount of time vs having people suffer and die until the end of time.
Accelerationism will cause less suffering after a certain amount of time. It could be as a little as a decade of lasting capitalism causing the same amount of suffering and death as a accelerating the collapse of capitalism.
And yes progress has been made, but it is not a law of nature. We have also regressed again over the past century. Currently we’re sliding back with the collapse of the Soviet Union and humanity failing to advance past capitalism.
Technological progress will keep increasing quality of life to a point, but on a societal level we’ve been regressing since the 90s.
Saying reform will get us to a better place is a questionable argument. Historically reform has not achieved nearly as much as revolution. Reform let to Nazi dictatorship in Germany and in general the rise of fascism (as it might soon once again). Not a single time has socialism been established via reform. The one time it was attempted peacefully was in Chile. The response was a coup from an unpurged military and sympathisers in unpurged institutions with support from the CIA.
Meanwhile revolution dragged Russia from an unindustrialised backwater to a nation running one of the first space programs in the world within only 40 years.
Likewise the French revolution led to the spread of liberalism and republicanism throughout the western world. It is the single most important reason why we live in the world we do today and not one of absolutism.
Revolution is why the USA is an independent nation and not a colony anymore.
Do you think those would have been achieved with reform? If yes, do you think how much longer this would have taken and how many more would have continued suffering during this time would be worth it?
I am volunteering at my local DSA chapter to try to affect positve change in the direction of my views. So, what steps are you taking in the real world to make real change in the US?
It is great to have ideals, but if all you do is talk about how, “X is not possible and we actually need to do Y”, you discredit those who are actually putting in effort to make a change and discourage people from even trying.
I am actively engaging in a political party that seeks a departure from the US and NATO. It uses populist policies to polarize and at the same time weakens the far right by drawing from their ranks with said populist rhetoric and policies.
We are doing what we can, but to topple any government, conditions first have to worsen. As I’ve said before the best we can basically do is stoke the flames until the right conditions arise for real change.
My issue is not with people trying to act. It’s with people who act wrong either out of malice or just ignorance. That is what reform is. Capitalism has never been overthrown via reform and never will be now. Liberals are too brainwashed to realise that capitalism needs to be overthrown for any meaningful lasting change, so instead they act to feed it, thinking they can reform it into being good. Something which is not possible, as it goes against it’s structure and ideals.
Lol. Of course you are.
I’ll wait for you to explain what it will be replaced with and how that will work. I’m not exactly in love with capitalism, but I think a heavily regulated capitalism is the best we can do at this point in human history.
You sound like a Libertarian. Grand ideals. No follow through.
That would be accelerationism. The attached link might not completely match your views, but what you described aligns with it.
I was considering adopting this ideology during the presidential election and either voting for trump or not at all, but I decided against it. Adopting this view means you are discounting the sheer amount of human suffering that would be involved in the process because, “The ends justify the means.”
Yes there is suffering right now, I am not discounting that. If you care about people, I would recommend taking the slow route of reform that will get us to a better place with enough time and effort.
You cannot deny that progress has been made over the last 100 years. It may not be much, but life is much better than it used to be for a lot of people. Not to say life is good, just to say we have been SLOWLY stepping forward.
https://pols.sites.haverford.edu/studentvoices/what-is-accelerationism/
I do subscribe to accelerationism.
The fact of the matter is that humans will suffer and die, no matter what you do.
Accelerating will kill and harm less people in the long run. It’s a simple math equation of having more people suffer now for a shorter amount of time vs having people suffer and die until the end of time. Accelerationism will cause less suffering after a certain amount of time. It could be as a little as a decade of lasting capitalism causing the same amount of suffering and death as a accelerating the collapse of capitalism.
And yes progress has been made, but it is not a law of nature. We have also regressed again over the past century. Currently we’re sliding back with the collapse of the Soviet Union and humanity failing to advance past capitalism. Technological progress will keep increasing quality of life to a point, but on a societal level we’ve been regressing since the 90s.
Saying reform will get us to a better place is a questionable argument. Historically reform has not achieved nearly as much as revolution. Reform let to Nazi dictatorship in Germany and in general the rise of fascism (as it might soon once again). Not a single time has socialism been established via reform. The one time it was attempted peacefully was in Chile. The response was a coup from an unpurged military and sympathisers in unpurged institutions with support from the CIA.
Meanwhile revolution dragged Russia from an unindustrialised backwater to a nation running one of the first space programs in the world within only 40 years. Likewise the French revolution led to the spread of liberalism and republicanism throughout the western world. It is the single most important reason why we live in the world we do today and not one of absolutism. Revolution is why the USA is an independent nation and not a colony anymore.
Do you think those would have been achieved with reform? If yes, do you think how much longer this would have taken and how many more would have continued suffering during this time would be worth it?