• gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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    “Not all Jews support what Netanyahu is doing, but they’re still being targeted because of it,”,

    but that’s a sacrifice that Netanyahu is willing to make.

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    It has made me really sad tbh.

    I used to think that certain experiences or history made you think differently. I honestly thought Jews in general would be a little less inclined to go full genocidal.

    Nope, people just suck regardless of ethnicity AND history

    • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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      I think most Jewish people today experience the Holocaust through the lens of the history being taught to them. As do we all by the way. And with no direct experience, the takeaway becomes whatever they are taught.

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    I thought we were going with musicians and actors for asking public figures about geopolitical events they are neither experts in nor qualified to address

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    That headline is fishy. Reads like a direct quote but I don’t think he said those words in that order, seems rather suggestive of downplaying the holocaust.

    Ah, the source is Jerusalem Post. That explains it.

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      100%. But I honestly think the victims of the Holocaust would agree here.

      1. Imagine seeing your grandchildren commit the same atrocities inflicted upon you, their own family? I think they would have rather died than begat such individuals. I certainly would.

      2. Israel has monopolized Judaism/Hebrew-ethnicity and essentially stolen the Jewish identity to further their Zionist genocidal cause.

      At least the victims of the holocaust maintained their humanity. Zionist brutes on the other hand have forsaken it.

      • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
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        i was taught by a holocaust survivor that israeli fascism could only lead to terrible outcomes for the Jewish people.

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          Its fucked up. Cuz like when I meet a ruso-canadian I don’t immediately question if they support Putin. But I have caught myself multiple times questioning if an ethnically hebrew person supports Israel.

          The fact that we barely differentiate between Israel and Netanyahu’s fascist government is proof enough of the harm it causes. Because I know that not every Israeli citizen supports the genocide in Gaza, but they’re for the most part just as powerless as we are.

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            I have caught myself multiple times questioning if an ethnically hebrew person supports Israel.

            Ugh that is so fucked up but I commiserate because I’ve found myself doing the same and I hate it so much. I hate that I’ve started having that awful knee-jerk reaction.

            Like I grew up in a city with a large Jewish community so I have very warm feelings about the whole Jewish aesthetic and philosophical outlook on life.

            But now it’s like there’s this little dangling asterisk next to those warm feelings. Like I’m always wondering if they support genocide.

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              Thank you. Was kind of discouraged at bro fixating on me using the word Hebrew like I meant anything by it. Nice to hear someone else has the same experience.

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            They are calling people Anti-Semitic just for being against the genocide. Not Israel, not the Israeli government, not Netanyahu… Anti genocide

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            Just FYI, it’s really weird to refer to Jews as Hebrews. And apartheid is inherent to the Israeli ethnostate, and fascism is inherent to political Zionism and always has been. This was a criticism levied at zionists, within the Jewish community, before world war 2 even.

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    Have never liked the guy, but yeah pretty much. Committing genocide is something that will be held over their heads long after all of us are dead. Kids in school will learn about the Holocaust and will have to have an asterisk next to it saying “yeah, and then they decided to do it to someone else 80 years later.” It’s just generational hate perpetuating cruelty. In about a hundred years Palestinians will want revenge after growing up and being taught to hate the people that did this to them.

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      Why are you equivocating Jews and Zionists. This just continues to enable the Israeli-championed narrative that anti-Zionism is antisemitism. Stop.

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        They’re not, they’re saying that other people are going to do that, and that them doing so will create problems for unrelated jewish people long into the future.

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        Bro you need to contribute more than just attacking people for not adhering to your narrow scope of acceptable semantics. And you misunderstood them fyi.

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        It’s just generational trauma. Both have grown up with parents or grandparents that have suffered to the other and think they are inherently evil. It’s not like it’s the first time Israel has done evil things to them and it’s not like it’s the first time Israel has wanted revenge for the evil things that have been done to them.

        The reason why people always emphasize that revenge is never good and that “violence isn’t the answer” is because this is literally the worst case scenario outcome of said violence. An endless cycle of hate and violence that can lead to so much dehumanization that they barely even consider them people. And if you don’t even consider them people anymore you might as well get rid of them so you can use the land and resources. If you look at any genocide a very common theme is that it’s always about superiority and how the people being killed are subhuman.

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        “taught” as in text books?

        or “taught” as in forcibly evicted from your childhood home and put in a concentration camp?

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            I’ve copied the relevant parts from that link below since I did not read anything validating those allegations.

            The Claim: Textbooks used in UNRWA schools glorify terrorists and promote hatred of Israel.

            The Facts: UNRWA uses host government textbooks, in line with UN best practice for providing quality education in refugee settings. UNRWA reviews all textbooks used in its schools to identify sections that may not be in line with UN values and UNESCO standards for teaching. UNRWA has no tolerance for hate speech and inciting discrimination, or violence. Independent analysts and international education experts have vouched for the quality and content of the education that UNRWA provides in its schools.

            Using host country curriculums in refugee situations is standard for the UN around the world. It is a best practice that helps students pursue their education in host country education systems. The vast majority of UNRWA’s school system ends after grade 9, and most students transition to local schools for upper secondary, then university.

            UNRWA is one of the very few entities in the region that runs a programme on human rights, conflict resolution and tolerance.

            UNRWA teachers are trained to address any controversial content in the classroom, using guidance documents developed by UNRWA. The teachers are required to follow this approach and held accountable. When it comes to the Palestinian Authority textbooks, UNRWA refers systematically to UN positions on issues such as the occupation, borders, the separation barrier, and Jerusalem. UNRWA is not in a position to – nor is it mandated to – reconcile the Israeli and Palestinian narratives.

            In addition, an Education Expert Advisory Group, composed of globally recognised experts representing renowned institutions like UNESCO and the World Bank, advises UNRWA on a regular basis on its education programme. Regarding the textbooks produced by the Palestinian Authority, UNRWA’s own stance on these materials closely aligns with the findings from the Georg Eckert Institute’s study commissioned by the European Commission. .

            Other internationally recognised outside evaluations – including a 2021 World Bank-UNHCR study – demonstrated that UNRWA’s educational outcomes are among the best in the region and at the lowest cost per student.

            The Claim: A 2019 U.S. Government Accountability Office report allegedly said that UNRWA has not always implemented measures to address problematic content in school textbooks.

            The Facts: The 2019 report reaffirmed UNRWA’s unwavering commitment to UN values, and, where there was a need for better implementation, this was done – you can find our statement about this here.

            UNRWA undertakes regular reviews of all textbooks and learning material used in its schools for compatibility with UN values and UNESCO standards and reinforcing tolerance and human rights.

            The Claim: Rather than being part of the solution, UNRWA perpetuates the refugee problem, including by reminding Palestine Refugees of their history and telling them their home is in Israel.

            The Facts: When the UN General Assembly created UNRWA by passing resolution 302 in 1949, it did not mandate the Agency to resolve the Israeli Palestinian conflict nor the Palestine Refugee issue or find durable solutions for refugees.

            Rather, UNRWA was set up as temporary organisation to carry out “direct relief and works programmes” for Palestine Refugees.

            UNRWA has a humanitarian and development mandate, renewed every three years by the UN General Assembly, to provide assistance and protection to Palestine Refugees pending a just and lasting solution to their plight. UNRWA delivers public services, especially basic education and healthcare.

            UNRWA is still in place 75 years later due to the failure by the international community to resolve a political problem.

            Palestine Refugees are like all other refugees. Under international law, refugees and their descendants may retain their status until a durable solution is found to the situation that made them refugees in the first place. As stated by the United Nations, this principle applies to all refugees and both UNRWA and UNHCR have recognised descendants as refugees on this basis.

            UN General Assembly resolution 194 precedes and differs from resolution 302, which established UNRWA. The Agency does not have the mandate for durable solutions, including to return or resettle Palestine Refugees.

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        What dumb fuck world do you live in where AOC is simping for zionists while the entire world characterizes her as a pro Palestinian socialist?

        Like how “I can’t tell up from down” level of stupidity can you be to then make that statement?

        I’m sorry but holy shit dude take a breath, and really think about the sheer stupidity of that post…

        All while her actions prove OPPOSITE TO EVERYTHING YOU SAY?

    • QuincyPeck@lemmy.world
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      Not sure why you got downvoted. It’s a valid question. It’s probably not a great idea for him to do so, but it seems like he’s testing the waters.

      • it_depends_man@lemmy.world
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        A tiny bit.

        If you care about american politics and future, another “dynasty hire” is the second to last thing the country needs.

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          American politics is a horror show to watch from across the border. And it’s weird that H.B. who was thrust into the spotlight makes a rational statement only to be immediately questioned on his motives.

  • Call Me M.@lemmy.ml
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    when even terrible people say stuff the world should agree on, you know the world’s going to s#*t.