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kebab@endlesstalk.org to World News@lemmy.worldEnglish · 2 days ago

UN conference backs two-state solution, calls on Israel to commit to a Palestinian state

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A high-level U.N. conference gave “unwavering support” to a two-state solution and called on Israel to commit to a Palestinian state.
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  • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    History shows us that Israel always keeps on trying to eliminate those of any other ethnicities than White-Jewish in that area to steal their land (if you think this is not a “White” thing, go check how Israel has treated Black-Jews), so a two-state solution is nothing more than yet more chances in the future for Israel to finish their Holocaust if they don’t finish it this time around.

    The only real solution is a single, multi-religious or even non-religious state, which is not Israel and probably should not be based on anything from Israel since the very constitution of Israel makes it an Apartheid state.

    We’re well pass the point were the upsides of the existence of the nation of Israel as is outweigh the downsides.

    • McDropout@lemmy.world
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      The real solution is to abolish the Sikes-Pikot borders and unite the countries that held jews, christians, muslims, yezidis and druze for centuries

      We should be looking at the broader picture.

      Countries that share one common language, one common cuisine, culture etc separated into 4 broken countries due to the british-french colonisation. And then the british ushered the zionists in modern day Palestine.

      The reality is, these 4 countries (or one country really) were colonised for the past 500+ years from the Ottomans then the British-French then the Zionists.

      They never had the time or resources to develop their own power, their own army while they were under colonial rule. And to pretend that Jordan, Lebanon or Syria ever had their own “sovereignty” is a joke at best.

      But it’s always divide and conquer, not unite and prosper isn’t it?

  • Lord Wiggle@lemmy.world
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    That’s antisemitism! The IDF should annex the UN. /s

  • BigFig@lemmy.world
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    That’ll do it UN! Back pats and high fives all around.

    • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      The impression I get from this wave of recent announcements about Israel including of people like the British Government and Macron (both of which keep shipping weapons to Israel, and the former even has the police arresting anti-Genocide protesters) of “we will recognize Palestine as a nation if you don’t stop” is that a bunch of politicians in Western nations are activelly executing a delay strategy to avoid that under pressure from public opinion all over the World (including their own countries) Israel is the target of actual sanctions.

      The whole thing reeks of the “thrown it into the long grass until it blows over” kind of political strategy for not doing what the public wanted that was incredibly common in British politics when I lived there.

      • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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        Spain suspended arms sales to Israel in 2023. What France, UK, Canada and others are doing now is embarrassingly little and shockingly late. Really, at this point they are basically saying “we’re fine with genocide but could you please hide at a little bit better so it’s easier for us to pretend we don’t see anything”.

  • ClownStatue@piefed.social
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    UN over there rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

  • Devolution@lemmy.world
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    Can’t have a Palestinian state without Palestinians.

  • mrdown@lemmy.world
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    Hamas shouldn’t drop arms till israel end occupation

    • Saleh@feddit.org
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      Lets be real. In order for a Palestinian state to be viable in the face of Israels decades long occupation and annexation, multiple cases of ethnic cleansing as well as the current genocide, means that the Palestinian state must be militarily equally strong or superior to any Israeli state.

      In order to keep the region at peace, this means Israel needs to be demilitarized severely, most importantly the nuclear weapons and any possible chemical and biological weapon program must be fully dismantled. The Israeli Navy should be abolished in favor of a lightly armed coast guard and the air force needs to be limited to a few interceptors.

      Meanwhile Palestine needs a lot of modern anti-air, anti-ship, anti-missile, counter-artillery systems and so on.

      There should also be an intervention force stationed nearby that immediately bombs Israeli production sites, ports and the like if there is any indication that Israel is attempting to violate the limits to their military.

      We have seen what came out of Germany after they violated the armament limits set forth after the first world war. Those who have shown genocidal mania cannot be trusted with any heavy arms.

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        But, as we also learned from interwar period Germany, it’s impossible to maintain this sort of zeal towards preventative action for long. Demilitarization and foreign peacekeeping are nothing more than stopgaps to make time for the sort of denazification that needs to happen in Israel.

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        Alternatively, after demilitarizing Israel, UN/EU peacekeeping forces could be stationed in Palestine to protect the population there.

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          And be shooting settlers and IDF soldiers who continue to rampage as it will happen.

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    Doesn’t mean shit unless they start a peacekeeping mission there that is willing to shoot at IDF troops.

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      Correct. Humans only respond to violence. Pacifists and limp-wrist Lefties waving signs and chanting aren’t going to make change.

      • lividweasel@lemmy.world
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        Yep, nothing like that has ever worked…

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velvet_Revolution

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          The Velvet Revolution was only peaceful because it was inevitable. It’s not nearly that simple when the political winds are against you or even neutral, as seen in Syria. This is also why Romania, which was politically isolated from the Eastern Bloc, went into violent revolt.

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          Bullshit. We’re not talking about gaining political rights in peacetime. You will not stop a genocidal army with words and flowers.

          And honestly, at this point implying otherwise is almost on complicity territory

      • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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        Studies show non-violent protests have been the most effective.

        But violent people do set the bar for their own treatment, sometimes.

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          I know what you’re talking about, but there are tons of problems with that study, mainly ignoring the radical flank effect and failing to account for the fact that a weaker regime will be less able to enforce its will using violence.

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          Please cite said studies. Apologies, but I can’t read anything on the internet without assuming it’s complete bullshit without sources

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            https://cup.columbia.edu/book/why-civil-resistance-works/9780231156837/

            This is the work that’s often being referenced when talking about non-violent vs violent resistance, and the 3.5% participation claim.

            I don’t see any references for your claims either.

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              I don’t see any references to your claims…

              https://archive.org/details/strategyofsocial0000gams_d3m9

              https://doi.org/10.1002/9780470674871.wbespm174

              https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/04/keystone-xl-protesters-science-joe-nocera-bill-mckibben/

              http://repositories.lib.utexas.edu/handle/2152/543

              https://archive.org/details/politicsofwomens00free

              http://www2.cortland.edu/schools/arts-and-sciences/herbert-h.-haines.dot

              https://web.archive.org/web/20150402133541/http://irasilver.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Reading-Movement-funding-Haines.pdf

              https://archive.org/details/blackradicalsciv0000hain/page/n6/mode/1up

              https://web.archive.org/web/20150101221603/http://beck.library.emory.edu/southernchanges/article.php?id=sc12-1_004

              https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/share/VHEHHFBAANC7ZUNFWK3A?target=10.1111%2Fj.1541-1338.2011.00498_3.x

              https://books.google.com/books?id=aKt8f_PpRSQC

              http://www.teachingforchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Crosby-this_nonviolent_stuff.pdf

              http://nyupress.org/books/book-details.aspx?bookId=10963#.U1XprsJOVjo

              http://government.arts.cornell.edu/assets/psac/sp14/Gupta_PSAC_Feb7.pdf

              https://archive.org/details/socialmovementsr2edunse

              http://www.citizenshandbook.org/movements.pdf

              http://citation.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/1/0/9/4/6/p109468_index.html

              http://ibrarian.net/navon/paper/Radical_Flank_Effects__The_Effect_of_Radical__Mod.pdf?paperid=23267

              https://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Chenoweth.Schock.Contemporaneous.Armed_.Challenges.pdf

              https://archive.org/details/strategyofsocial0000gams_d3m9

              https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/blair-taylor-from-alterglobalization-to-occupy-wall-street

              https://www.escholarship.org/uc/item/4pw6j9s1.pdf;origin=repeccitec

              https://www.academia.edu/18313197/Rethinking_Radical_Flank_Theory_South_Africa

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_flank_effect

              • lerba@sopuli.xyz
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                Maybe choose one or two source to back up your point. Nobody’s going to go through your wall of links.

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                Which of these 23 links backs up the claim that “people only respond to violence,” or, paraphrasing, non-violent resistance is ineffective.

                I tried to skim a couple, but the synopsis on one was simply a recounting of black power tactics from the 70s, and another was a wiki page about the radical flank effect, which actually referenced the book I linked to support the claim that having a violent radical flank appeared to have no positive effect. Other references sometimes found a positive effect, but I can’t really compare the merits of the sources.

                Honestly, having a pile of obscure links to whip out in favor of political violence is, let’s call it, odd.

                • BaroqueInMind@piefed.social
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                  All of them.

                  If you think Civil Rights was won with flowers and rainbows, it means your privilege is showing.

                  I don’t give two shits what a racist thinks is odd.

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