• Bassman27@lemmy.world
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    I’m not taking the blame for this one it’s all IDF. A significant proportion of the general population have vocalised their disgust. At this point it’s those pulling the trigger and their bosses who are at fault. No one else wants this apart from the IDF

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      We voted for pro israeli leaders sorry we still have a certsin degree of responssbility

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        Focusing on the culpability of individual voters is just reputation-washing for Israel.

        It’s like stepping over massive fossil fuel companies to blame someone who put plastic wrap in the trash instead of the recycle bin. This is not how to get people to stay engaged with politics between elections, and actually work together to do something now, which is how individual voters can actually impact the situation. Don’t instill hopelessness by focusing on the blame of those so far from direct culpability.

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          It’s like stepping over massive fossil fuel companies to blame someone who put plastic wrap in the trash instead of the recycle bin

          It’s like supporting those companies, voting for politicians who support them then deny your responsability for that. We are all responsible to certain degree. I never shifted the blame and i never said we are as bad as thr idf terrorists commiting the war crimes or the governments who are actually selling weapons to israel

          actually work together to do something now

          That’s why i keep promoting bds

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            It’s like supporting those companies, voting for politicians who support them then deny your responsability for that.

            It really isn’t, particularly for those of us who have been getting yelled at for doing exactly not that, and being told that not having full-throated support for Harris when we were specifically told that the campaign didn’t need our support and locked out of speaking up. For those who have been told that our lack of support is why Trump got elected and Palestinians are being killed. Collapsing the entirety of electoral politics into “we voted for this” is harmfully reductive. We cannot keep telling ourselves that no matter what we do while working together, since the overall result was this it is our fault. It’s literally ignoring the actions of political opponents to blame ourselves no matter the outcome.

            Placing a blanket blame on voters for this is still just electoralism. Voting should be one political expression of many; reducing everything down to the outcome of an election–even if you’re blaming just those who voted–doesn’t build political movements.

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      Most people (though probably less of a majority than you think) don’t want this, but far too many are willing to indirectly fund it, arm it, defend it and suppress resistance to it through their governments. Like, a lot of this is happening with Westerners’ tax money, and there are things that can be done beyond complain.

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          If you’re actually interested, you can look around here for non-drastic action most people in Western countries can take regarding Palestine. Also, there are various levels of civil disobedience methods that can be used to compel governments, especially local governments (a lot more can be done locally than you might think), to act, and of course striking is always an option. Not that I’m telling you to suddenly become a full-time activist for Palestine; with the current state of the West these are things y’all should be doing anyway, with Palestine action simply another thing to demand from the government and the rich. I mean hell, even getting your workplace or local government to avoid companies complicit in Israel’s genocide and broader apartheid is something.