China’s armed forces secretly trained about 200 Russian military personnel in China late last year and some have since returned to fight in Ukraine, according to three European intelligence agencies and documents seen by Reuters.

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    19 hours ago

    Not the same thing. Russia is a brutal invader, Ukraine is defending it’s sovereignty

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            9 hours ago

            It’s incredible that you could frame a literal imperial invasion of Ukraine by Russia as everyone else being imperialist. It’s just completely ignorant and has all the energy and logic of a trump decree.

            Russia and the Soviet Union has a very long history of imperialism and colonization and, if that sort of thing bothers you, you should be critical of Russia.

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              Ussr wan never colonialist, in fact they tried to help Korea Vietnam, Afghanistan burhina Faso against imperialism.

              Russia was faced with tho very hard decision. Act as an aggressor now or wait to be invaded later. They would have been portrayed as villains either way so they took the right one

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        And what plans were there for Ukraine to join NATO prior to the invasion? None? Zero? The deal was already that Ukraine was a neutral buffer zone so the big strong USSR wouldn’t wet their underwear? Did ruzzia show their hand that no country is safe from an invasion regardless of if their in NATO or not? Yes I think they did! They did show they are warmongering dictators.

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          11 hours ago

          Ukrayne was on that path before 2014 just like all other nations from eastern Europe. Ukrayne was a red line that Russia could not ignore

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            Russia is the fat alcoholic abusive ex that doesn’t want to see his ex girlfriend moving on with a decent fella.

            The best outcome of this war and the one in Iran is that it shows us that the big imperial powers old school methods of power projection are losing relevance as a result of cheap drone warfare.

            Russia absolutely could have ignored Ukraine leaving its sphere of influence, in fact they would be in a much better economic and demographic situation had they ignored it.

            If it wasn’t for the brave Ukrainians being killed by Russia this war would almost be comical given how terribly the Russian armed forces have performed. Failure after failure, I don’t think Russia has much left in the tank. A smart ruler would give up now and consolidate but Putin’s life is on the line here if he does not achieve some form of “victory”. So Vladimir Put Put is going to drag the Russian nation down to hell with him while the Russian population of cucks cry “I am not political!”

            Good riddance to bad orcs, back to the dirt you came from. Even sunflowers won’t grow from your alcohol/krokodil ravaged corpses. I hope Putin dies screaming like the Russian soldiers in the lens of an FPV drone.

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              9 hours ago

              This is extremely stupid. The standard of living collapsed after the fall of the ussr.

              All that the west has done was to destabilize the eastern Europe and the middle east after that to project their power. If Putin wouldn’t have come to power in the early 2000s Russia would probably be a vassal state of the west now and China would not be where it is today.

              Now on the war part. Ua economy and army was completely replaced by the west. Ua actions make me believe that the west wants to collapse Russia. Instead they are the one being embarrassed. Russia not only did not lose but is still advancing in ua territory despite the 809bn from the west.

              On top of that the economies are collapsing in the west. Many countries chose to ditch us bonds for Chinese ones after the sanctions applied to russia.

              What is happening in Iran is proof that Europe does not afford to open another front

              Enjoy the collapse of the western empire

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                Their standard of living wasn’t too hot during the USSR either as Russia plundered the submissive, subservient states within the short lived “Soviet Union”. Russia brutally oppressed the nations of Eastern Europe to the point where they all now hate Russia’s guys with a passion. Don’t even get me started on the poorly thought out brand of communism they employed and the idiotic state policies.

                If Putin wouldn’t have come to power in the early 2000s Russia would probably be a vassal state of the west

                This is conjecture and speculation on your part with no proof to back it up, typical of your lot. Putin and his cronies have robbed the nation of Russia blind. All of those mega yachts, palaces and London property doesn’t come cheap. Imagine Russia was led by someone who was not a mafia boss? That fool Putin has wasted the Russian wealth fund on his colonial adventures with nothing to show for it.

                China would not be where it is today

                Without Putin? Come on dude, that is a hilarious take, China’s rise started way before Putin and he had nothing to do with it. I remember a time when Russia was the senior partner to China, Russia is now China’s vassal, dependant on China for 90% of technological imports. China has Russia by the balls, I’m sure you are happier being a vassal of China than the west.

                Ua actions make me believe that the west wants to collapse Russia.

                Russia and Putin brought this war on themselves. Europe and NATO never had the goal of a collapsed failed state Russia with vodka drenched immigrants and rogue nukes on its border. The EU and especially Germany fought for good relations and trade. Russia spat in our faces and now faces the consequences.

                Russia not only did not lose but is still advancing in ua territory

                You clearly aren’t watching the right war. Even the Russian milibloggers and mappers concede that Russia has been either static or losing territory for months now.

                This is before we get into the Russian losses of influence in Syria, Venezuela and Mali. Russia is no longer seen as a strong or reliable partner.

                Many countries chose to ditch us bonds for Chinese ones after the sanctions applied to russia.

                No countries did this in support of Russia my delusional friend. Russia is still seen as the aggressor in an illegal land grab.

                What is happening in Iran is proof that Europe does not afford to open another front

                I’m trying to make sense of the slop of a sentence you wrote here. Who would Europe be opening up another front with in this scenario in addition to their proxy war with Russia?

                Enjoy the collapse of the western empire

                Enjoy being a drama queen while you gargle Putin’s balls. I would be delighted to see all the imperial powers collapse.