Tldr lower. So there’s (yet again) another flurry of communities that are all crossposting each other’s content with this hentai stuff.
Aside from a lot of this being made with AI, it is in essence soft porn and I don’t want it in /all.
I usually write a comment under such posts saying
Set your comm to NSFW pls
Rarely the mod write “Done” and that’s it. Often it is downvoted, and now it’s also just removed by mod for (I wouldn’t know the reason as it’s on a different instance to mine)
https://lemmy.world/post/33972247
TLDR; I don’t want my all feed to be a soft porn feed, is there anyway of not having these hentai soft porn communities in all, apart from individually blocking them (which doesn’t really work, as they keep making more communities).
I feel ya, some of the posts you said that on, probably should be NSFW. But not a romantic kiss imho. Other sites solved this ages ago with explicit, questionable and safe tags.
I think it’s ridiculous that Lemmy adopted the binary NSFW option from Reddit. With the Ukraine war and people posting videos as NSFW with body parts laying around. I don’t want to see the anime pictures in the same bucket as that either.
There needs to be more tags and that would make everyone happy.
It’s also bad because of the UK online safety act. I don’t want our flamingo to be at risk :(
I don’t know any place which have the proposed “soft nsfw” filter separate from “nsfw”.
Comparison with reddit is weird as reddit r/all is full of ““artistic”” pictures or paintings of naked women.
Also the fediverse is not really like reddit. The more the platform grows the more useless All becomes. Try to go to mastodon and browse by “all” it’s unusable. Either pick an instance with a good “local” you like or all is not really that important. I don’t think it’s a “first impressions”, first impression is “local”. All is never going to be a curated feed, not a consistent one. It’s a federated platform, which means a LOT of diversity and variety on communities and posts.
Also I don’t see or even want to start consider anything that shows a little skin “nsfw”. I think that’s a very personal taste that should not be universally applied.
I really don’t buy the argument here.
Argument 1: nobody else has it so why should we? Because we are new, the next step - we improve what needs to be done better.
Argument 2: reddit is full of porn… see above. We can make it better, at very little cost to anyone.
Argument 3 is undermining your first 2, but I agree. This would cause a few instances to become very popular and render the concept of federation unnecessary.
I don’t understand how a bunch of people here are basically say /all is a sewer, accept it.
I’m say it is not and doesn’t have to be. It is a place for discovery, and there is a way to make that more pleasant. Another commenter said an AI filter would also be good.
All I am suggesting is In addition to having the Fediverse allowing posts and communities to be marked NSFW, to allow for more filters. One filter like what I am suggesting could be a snowflake or FamFriendly filter which removes suggestive, soft porn or racy or soft gore stuff. Another could be AI which removes synthetically generated content.
How anyone can be against that is beyond me. I’m not asking for these things to be turned on by default, or to shove it down people’s throats. By default /all would still be the same
I understand NSFW and FamilyFriendly are blurry concepts. It is still up to the post OPs, community creators, moderators and instance administrators to use these properly.
People are against it because several reasons.
First because it’s a very specific taste/opinion that they don’t share. You are saying that “all would be more appealing without softcore porn”, but it seems that you are the only one who thinks that here, most people don’t care or even like it. We could also put a filter to blurry dog pictures for people scare of dogs, where does it end? Until which point personal tastes should have their own explicit filters? It ends in a “word filter” which is already usable.
Also I would say that most people is against this because it reads as a first step towards a “porn ban”. We have no puritan advertisements or pay processor to please. People here like the freedom. And that would be a step in the opposite direction. It reads a little like so many discourses we are seeing in so many places to make them “family friendly” and to “protect the children”. I would suppose that due the nature of the fediverse (which is a push back against those people controlling our internet) is against anything that looks like that.
Ok, I hear you. But as I said, it’s just adding filter options to those snowflakes like me, while not changing a single pixel for those like yourself.
Allowing superior UX for more people is how you make the internet better.
Nobody is advocating for a ban, nor can or will this be used as a first step towards one.
Nobody is advocating for a ban, nor can or will this be used as a first step towards one.
History has proven you wrong since as early as the Dark Ages and as recently as two weeks ago in the UK.
Mate no. the UK ban did not originate from a federated open source community implementing filter systems.
Stop spreading absolute panic bullshit like this.
I would say, show me historic proof, but I doubt you’re that type of person.
[…] and I don’t want it in /all.
Skill issue. That’s literally what /all is for.
Block what you don’t want, or set your starting page to subscribed and curate from there. That’s half the point of this entire place.
The other half you already did the work: notified the comms they have to set to NFW, etc.
I’ve responded to the top comment to address the flaws in that argument.
I am amazed at how helpless some people…
You don’t want to see it, click block!
JFC have some fucking agency… I know kt is annoyo g bit the fix is easy and right there.
I am amazed at how helpless some people…
It’s what TikTok did to a generation. It’s incredible.
Back in my day, I could even program the time on the VCR!
Ah, but could you programme the timer to record while you were out?!
The only way All works is by either manually blocking individual communities or manually blocking certain instances.
Once you’re done, it’s mostly fine, but like you say, new ones do pop up.
There’s ONE GUY who runs like 20 different AI porn communities and keeps creating more.
Why am I not surprised that the most sensible response comes from one of the more awesome mods on this platform
o7 sir, thanks for acknowledging my point and chiming in.
Hey, I was in your boat when I started on Lemmy 2 years ago.
“Wow, that’s a lot of furry porn. And gay porn. And gay, furry porn.”
Not gonna judge, if that’s your thing, it’s your thing, it’s just not MY thing…
Exactly what I’ve done. Set my settings to NSFW, blocked most of the “soft” communities like hot girls and moe anime girls and whatever else (blocking the Lemmy nsfw instance is a great place to start), and I use All frequently. That’s how I’ve found all the communities I’ve subscribed to, but frankly, my /all feed is small enough that I usually see all my subscribed communities anyway.
Plenty of other people have said it, and I’ll repeat it: Stop browsing by /all. Find a handful of communities you want to subscribe to, and stick with those.
There is a fair point to make that it’s instances that should default to /local instead of /all - at least for uncredentialed guests. Since if you want to see more, you can just get to the next instance, and the next, and the next…, and that way we avoid reloading basically the same content and stuff on every instance you visit.
And it helps instances better moderate how they present themselves to potential sign-ups.
That is indeed a fair talking point, which of course has its own risk of a new user not know there’s more to the fediverse (or not knowing what the fediverse is) than only what a local instance shows.
I’ve responded to the top comment to address the flaws in that argument.
Nobody really seems to be pointing out that you are on an instance that does not require the behavior you are requesting.
I thought this community is for discussions about the Fediverse and not limited to any particular instance.
Yes, but there are no (cannot be) any content rules that apply to the entire fediverse, the admins of each instance determine what experience their users will have.
Not everyone is seeing the same posts you are seeing, and your instance has no rules on the topic. You could have more luck enacting change by messaging your admins or making a meta post in your instance’s meta community.
I’m a bit baffled at how many people are misunderstanding my post.
This is not instance related. This is just an additional NSFW type of filter. Please reread the OP or my other comments.
I see, then what you’re asking for is sadly impossible.
Also FWIW I do not have the same issue as you. Not sure why!
I occasionally see similar complaints, and I’m sure it’s legitimate for some users. But personally I don’t get it. I don’t block NSFW content, and yet I rarely see it in /all. When I do it’s usually a bunch at once, but like I said it doesn’t happen a lot.
The only thing in /all that used to bother me is the sports stuff, but by blocking a single community that’s mostly gone now.
I browse All and have like 2000 communities blocked
I presume you don’t have alts then!
Technically I DO have an account on a different instance I was considering switching to but I logged out immediately after seeing they federated with hexbear lol
Often it is downvoted
Also, can we please agree that is really poor netiquette to downvote posts that you are not subscribing to? If you are not subscribed to a community, you should have no saying whether the content is relevant to the community or not.
Instead of downvoting, hide posts you don’t want the content on your feed or report it if it actually improper content. Downvoting things just because you saw it on all is hostile af.
I meant my request to mark the community as NSFW is being downvoted, which I understand.
I downvote the post only if the mod just removes my request, which I think is mod abuse.
I downvote the post only if the mod just removes my request, which I think is mod abuse.
Then block the community, report to the admin if the community is not respecting the instance rules and carry on with your day. Downvoting is just some passive-aggressive way of expressing your disapproval for the tastes/interests of the community members.
You’ll find that admin == mod == post OP in a lot of these cases
No. Some communities I don’t want to see regularly, but I know how the community works.
Some communities I don’t want to see regularly
And your solution to that is browsing by /all?
Huh, I browse Subscribed regularly, All I don’t? When a post doesn’t belong in a community I know (ie regardless of subscription status) I vote down.
You took my comment way too literally, then. What I am asking is for people that browse by /all to stop downvoting everything they see, as if there were trying to train some algorithm.
This can’t be real?
Take a look at these and tell me if these people are down voting because they are interested in the community or they are just trying to bury posts they don’t like:
There is no evidence for algorithm-based voting and those are mostly controversial posts which discuss the very acceptance of LLMs into a program, ie there is no guarantee that they belong into the respective community.
What? That people browse by /all and downvote everything they don’t like? You can bet that this is standard practice. I’ve argued with a good number of people who treat the /all feed just as a regular feed and feel completely justified in downvoting anything they don’t personally like.
I think it’s a habit carried over from reddit’s algo, which would rank communities you downvote as less likely to be shown to you. People don’t really understand how the /all algo works on lemmy (which as I understand it is just the most recently interacted things on the network, blatted out of a hose?)
It is 100% a bad habit inherited from Reddit, and this is one of the many reasons that I wish Fediverse developers stopped trying to emulate the closed platforms and started using ActivityPub as a powerful social graph to be shared by a single client.
I think it might be too early in the life of the fediverse to completely dispense with the underlaying concept - we’ve only barely gotten enough users to have unique-to-lemmy content - but it’s an interesting article & a similarly interesting take. Certainly something should be done to increase new communities ‘discoverability’ to the broad userbase. The current
/allalgo is already a huge improvement over the very early days, so there’s probably value in developing the idea further (including potentially adopting that social graph idea, though implementation would be… difficult, while maintaining the decentralized control the fediverse was explicitly designed to have)Phanpy (a client for Mastodon) is showing that we can have the customization and discoverability happening in-device. Decentralization would improve if we stop relying on this platform-centric approach and started building on generic ActivityPub servers.
Anyway, sorry for the tangent. I feel like that this generation of developers just keep making the mistakes from the past when they could instead learn from the elders.
Nah it’s a genuinely interesting tangent, and I do agree that there’s a great deal still to be done to really get the most out of AP as a protocol. I worry that adoption for non-platformed methods of interaction would be extremely low, just because of the increased barrier to entry. Part of the reason I’m on Lemmy instead of finishing my own AP browsing application is just the time investment that I’m unwilling to put in, and as customization goes up the time cost of configuring your setup similarly increases. But I do agree that there’s a better solution than what we have now.
Everyone calm yer tits
*jumps*
Stop browsing by /all. The firehose will always have content that is of dubious categorization. Instead of trying to change the whole world to conform to your tastes, curate your communities and leave others be.
I’m not trying to conform the world to my taste. Porn like stuff makes the platform less appealing in general.
All is where we make our first impression to the world. All is where (on a still growing platform) people go to discover. I don’t think having an additional “soft NSFW” filter would be a bad thing.
There’s a reason most clients have an NSFW filter in their settings.
Porn like stuff
Which one, exactly? A woman showing a nipple? Artistic renditions of men in classic statues? A furry? A LGBTQ person existing?
That’s how it begins. We’ve already seen how it ends.
Porn like stuff makes the platform less appealing in general
That’s literally your taste in content. I’m sure there’s plenty of people who find porn like stuff more appealing.
Also, All isn’t the first impression, it’s almost always your instance feed that is the default.
No that’s not my taste in content. That’s me trying to get this reddit alternative to gain traction. And it’s not going to do that by being an echo chamber. If you have kids, you want parental controls so they don’t have to see certain content. If you’re at work, you want be able to prevent suggestive drawings to hit your screen, or on public transport.
Your response act as if I’m asking for a ban. I’m asking for an ability for the user to control it. Leave it off by default for all I care (which is what the current NSFW setting does).
/all may not be the first impressing, but it is where the majority of new user will go due to their instance not necessarily having that much content.
OP is on lemmy.world, and default feed is All (sorted by Active) there
I don’t disagree, and it’d be really nice if people were better about tagging things like scantily clad yuri as NSFW. Even if there’s no naughty bits, I’d just really appreciate being able to browse for new linux communities in public while having questionable stuff come up as blurred thumbnails. I don’t want it gone, I just want tagging guidelines to be followed.
I’d just really appreciate being able to browse for new linux communities in public while having questionable stuff come up as blurred thumbnails
Sorry, I understand that it would be nice if others did the right thing all the time, but we can not reasonably expect this to work at any larger scale.
Besides, how many new linux communities are popping up every day that it makes more important for you to be browsing by /all? It seems like a bad workflow and really poor ergonomics to rely on /all for content discovery when you know what type of groups you can search for.
Why can’t we expect that, though? True bad actors are surprisingly rare, and minor fauxpas forgiven. That’s kinda how all of human society is able to function.
I don’t really know what you’re trying to say about linux communities or my workflow - that was being used an arbitrary example, and the actual goal with browsing /all is to find content you are interested in but previously unaware of. Not all communities follow strict naming guidelines, let alone tagging guidelines, and it’s actually a real problem onboarding new users to the fediverse (mastadon’s “where is the content” meme, for example)
Why can’t we expect that, though? True bad actors are surprisingly rare, and minor fauxpas forgiven.
Because the larger the number of people in the group, the more disagreement there will be about defines “bad actors” and “minor fauxpas”. Right now in this thread people are arguing over whether or not these should be classified as NSFW, for instance.
that was being used an arbitrary example, and the actual goal with browsing /all is to find content you are interested in but previously unaware of
I know you meant meant linux just as an example, but what I am trying to understand is how much of an habit is it for you to get into content discovery mode that you worry about “doing it in public”?
I’m not really up for a discussion on the foundational concept of ethos since it’s like 5am here, but conversations like this thread are pretty fundamental to how every human endeavor functions (hence why they’re broadly called ‘forums’). I don’t expect everyone to always do the “right thing” (nor do I want to litigate the minutiae of what “right thing” could mean in this context), but giving up on the entire idea of having a guideline to follow just because some people won’t seems a little defeatist.
Lemmy is still extremely new, and finding new communities to help grow (or even just finding new sources of content to consume, which is similarly valid) is fairly difficult without resorting to the one tool we have to help discover them. I’d wager, without having access to the backend, that right now the majority of users browse by /all since most niche communities only have at best a handful of new posts a week, and that content is exhausted quickly. At least, that’s what I do, and I’m really very confident in my not-even-being-slightly-not-basic.
I’d wager, without having access to the backend, that right now the majority of users browse by /all since most niche communities only have at best a handful of new posts a week, and that content is exhausted quickly.
Yeah, I could bet that is the case as well. But while I understand the justification for this behavior, I don’t think that it makes for a healthy one. Browsing by /all because the content of my curated feed is stale seems like driving to a McDonalds after finishing a healthy dinner and I’m not feeling completely full.
To torture a metaphor, right now it’s more like driving to McDonald’s after having a pretty basic meal two days earlier. I agree that ultimately you’re right, but given just how small most developing communities are, it’s pretty reasonable to look around to find new things to engage with. If nobody did that I think lemmy might just fizzle out as a network, it’s just too small to really support the kind of curated feed we’re used to with larger sites like reddit/twitter/insta. The addictive nature of those sites is a good debate for a separate time, but in this case even getting to the level of “please enjoy responsibly” requires quite a bit of searching around.
You’ve upset the thirsty weebs. They yearn for their Yuri furi porn.
No there is nothing to do. This is decentralized social media. This is what they want. This place will never be popular, will always lack the content, and in general be a shit show content wise.
I personally don’t consider this NSFW.
It’s clearly a less racey example. Multiple people hung up on this 🤦♂️.
Would you like a real example? Brave enough to give me your work email? I promise to send you nothing but untagged Lemmy content.
How is it ‘clearly’ anything? It’s the only example OP provided, what else are we supposed to judge his claims by?
I’ve been working remote ever since COVID. Also, if we’re going this far, I think this whole culture of absent personal space at work isn’t something to defend. If anything, it’s kind of nice to punish this system by having something shocking or insulting on your screen. But we all need money and people don’t want to get fired so I can understand that. We’re all going to get fired and replaced by AI anyway though.
That’s your example of softcore porn? There’s much racier content on magazine covers in the grocery checkout line. Stop trying to impose your puritanical aesthetic on the rest of the world. It’s called /all for a reason. What’s wrong with you?!
I’ve responded to the top comment to address the flaws in that argument.
I feel like you’ve missed the point entirely.
