What’s going on right now is actually a fantastic example of why this whole “people can have guns to overthrow a tyrant!” has been nothing more than a delusion used to justify having a gun fetish. It’s 2025. Your gun will do absolutely nothing against the literal trillion dollars of annual spending you’ve approved for your own military and intelligence agencies.
That trillion dollars is designed to fight conventional armies and extremist Islamist terrorist cells in Africa and the Middle East. Our military apparatus is simply not capable of stopping any single individual, or small group(s), from randomly deciding to crash out. Unless the NSA/CIA/FBI/WTF/BBQ suddenly gain the power to read every person’s mind, there’s not a thing wealthy sociopaths can do to effectively wield the military against citizens in a way that makes it safe for those same sociopaths to walk down the street.
I think it would make a difference. You saw how fast Elon started using his kid as a shield and others basically stayed off the streets after UH CEO got lit up. They’d be VERY scared if an unknown person started knocking them off, maybe 1 a month for a year, I think it’d send a VERY clear message. Especially if it’s released why they got popped. Behavior would change quick.
The only reason we have shitty people make terrible, illegal decisions right now is because no one is holding them accountable. A .308 round would change that shit quick fast in a hurry.
Most American gun owners would probably get assigned dish duty in the Mujahideen, but there’s multiple precedents for effectively countering a military like the US, as hard and brutal and costly as it is.
Right? How is an AR-15 going to save anyone against a drone strike? The target doesn’t even hear anything, one moment they’re alive and the next they’re not. Doesn’t even have to be an explosive, like a firearm isn’t going stop the government.
I highly suggest reading up on asymmetrical wars fought throughout history. It is effectively impossible for a conventional army to track down and eliminate forces that merge and move seamlessly within the citizenry. The only group that’s ever had even marginal modern success with slowing (not stopping) a guerilla threat is Israel, and that’s because they don’t give a shit about leveling civilian areas and massacring innocent women and children, and movement in/out of the extremely small geographic area of Palestine is restricted by multiple (fortified & mined) borders on every side. There is zero chance any military force, even our own, could segment and subjugate our ENTIRE country like Israel has Palestine, nor would they have anything close to local popular support to pull it off if they did.
Uh? What does this have to do with left and right? There’s no left in the US. (Okay, there is, but for what I know, there isn’t even one leftist party either in Senate or in Congress. But maybe I’m wrong and not everything is just republicans+democrats?)
Still, at least the president has been either from Republicans or Democrats for the last century at least, so talking about “left vs. right” is kind of moot in this context of talking about US presidents. (Though, I don’t know, maybe one of the parties has been somewhat leftist before WWII? I have no idea if that’s been the case, because I was only born in the 1980’s and might be too young to know something I’m maybe assumed to know?)
My concern is that if we were to exercise our 2nd amendment rights to eliminate this totalitarian regime and then install a proper democratically-elected progressive administration, what’s to stop the Fox News types from riling up the MAGA masses into “taking back” the government and eliminating our new regime? Violence begets violence. There has to be a better way.
This isn’t an argument you can win. People have spent too much time watching romanticized war movies and documentaries and don’t understand what the personal cost of this would be. It sounds nice and all “rah rah rah let’s get them” but this would to MILLIONS dying and elites still maintaining control in the end.
Yeah, I have run into a lot of keyboard warriors telling people to commit acts of violence to stop the regime, all while not doing anything of the sort. I doubt many, if any, of these people have ever been in a fight, let alone killed someone.
Ah yes, the fighting a local force, in very difficult terrain, you do not have experience, with is a directly comparable situation to the local force, who know every inch of land they are on, and spend most of their time training in, without having to move half way across the planet first, argument.
I genuinely think that many of these people think that they can hole up in their rural cabin with a bunch of guns and just wait it out while everyone else does the fighting and dying.
Oh definitely. I know some people who are actually planning on this. There is a fucking graded road to their cabin, and it is only about an hour outside of a major city… like, they might leave you alone because you are out of the way, and inconsequential, but the moment they want that land, road, or you do something they don’t like, it will only take one drone to wipe your family off the face of the earth.
The ones that cry the hardest about their second amendment are the ones that voted for this. The ones that want tyranny, because being tyrannical is OK so long as it’s against those whiney losers you oppose.
The ones that want the second amendment are the ones that are so uintelligent and insecure that they need to buy a gun, or multiple guns.
Shit like this makes me hate the past 5 years of Canadian liberalism that banned almost all semi-auto rifles and froze the handgun registery (meaning no new handguns may be purchased).
You people really need to use that 2nd amendment
The only thing keeping most from going postal is having to support a family.
They do, but only to shoot each other not problem makers.
What’s going on right now is actually a fantastic example of why this whole “people can have guns to overthrow a tyrant!” has been nothing more than a delusion used to justify having a gun fetish. It’s 2025. Your gun will do absolutely nothing against the literal trillion dollars of annual spending you’ve approved for your own military and intelligence agencies.
That trillion dollars is designed to fight conventional armies and extremist Islamist terrorist cells in Africa and the Middle East. Our military apparatus is simply not capable of stopping any single individual, or small group(s), from randomly deciding to crash out. Unless the NSA/CIA/FBI/WTF/BBQ suddenly gain the power to read every person’s mind, there’s not a thing wealthy sociopaths can do to effectively wield the military against citizens in a way that makes it safe for those same sociopaths to walk down the street.
I think it would make a difference. You saw how fast Elon started using his kid as a shield and others basically stayed off the streets after UH CEO got lit up. They’d be VERY scared if an unknown person started knocking them off, maybe 1 a month for a year, I think it’d send a VERY clear message. Especially if it’s released why they got popped. Behavior would change quick.
The only reason we have shitty people make terrible, illegal decisions right now is because no one is holding them accountable. A .308 round would change that shit quick fast in a hurry.
Most American gun owners would probably get assigned dish duty in the Mujahideen, but there’s multiple precedents for effectively countering a military like the US, as hard and brutal and costly as it is.
Right? How is an AR-15 going to save anyone against a drone strike? The target doesn’t even hear anything, one moment they’re alive and the next they’re not. Doesn’t even have to be an explosive, like a firearm isn’t going stop the government.
I highly suggest reading up on asymmetrical wars fought throughout history. It is effectively impossible for a conventional army to track down and eliminate forces that merge and move seamlessly within the citizenry. The only group that’s ever had even marginal modern success with slowing (not stopping) a guerilla threat is Israel, and that’s because they don’t give a shit about leveling civilian areas and massacring innocent women and children, and movement in/out of the extremely small geographic area of Palestine is restricted by multiple (fortified & mined) borders on every side. There is zero chance any military force, even our own, could segment and subjugate our ENTIRE country like Israel has Palestine, nor would they have anything close to local popular support to pull it off if they did.
Would you be saying this if orange man wasn’t in office?
If not, then you’re part of the problem.
Huh? “I want to overthrow a tyrannical president” would have been an important thing to say when there was no tyrannical president?
Why?
He never mentioned the president, I did and I’m of course referring to how the current president is a symptom of bigger issues.
Are you going to show us all how you’ve been conditioned to think it’s left vs. right instead of up vs. down? Go on, I don’t expect more from you.
Liberals love money, too, which is why useful idiots can’t criticize them for it.
Uh? What does this have to do with left and right? There’s no left in the US. (Okay, there is, but for what I know, there isn’t even one leftist party either in Senate or in Congress. But maybe I’m wrong and not everything is just republicans+democrats?)
Still, at least the president has been either from Republicans or Democrats for the last century at least, so talking about “left vs. right” is kind of moot in this context of talking about US presidents. (Though, I don’t know, maybe one of the parties has been somewhat leftist before WWII? I have no idea if that’s been the case, because I was only born in the 1980’s and might be too young to know something I’m maybe assumed to know?)
My concern is that if we were to exercise our 2nd amendment rights to eliminate this totalitarian regime and then install a proper democratically-elected progressive administration, what’s to stop the Fox News types from riling up the MAGA masses into “taking back” the government and eliminating our new regime? Violence begets violence. There has to be a better way.
The 5,56 7,62 or 9mm you will have express sent through their heads
This isn’t an argument you can win. People have spent too much time watching romanticized war movies and documentaries and don’t understand what the personal cost of this would be. It sounds nice and all “rah rah rah let’s get them” but this would to MILLIONS dying and elites still maintaining control in the end.
Yeah, I have run into a lot of keyboard warriors telling people to commit acts of violence to stop the regime, all while not doing anything of the sort. I doubt many, if any, of these people have ever been in a fight, let alone killed someone.
Read further down the thread to see how people reacted to me yesterday.
Ah yes, the fighting a local force, in very difficult terrain, you do not have experience, with is a directly comparable situation to the local force, who know every inch of land they are on, and spend most of their time training in, without having to move half way across the planet first, argument.
I genuinely think that many of these people think that they can hole up in their rural cabin with a bunch of guns and just wait it out while everyone else does the fighting and dying.
Oh definitely. I know some people who are actually planning on this. There is a fucking graded road to their cabin, and it is only about an hour outside of a major city… like, they might leave you alone because you are out of the way, and inconsequential, but the moment they want that land, road, or you do something they don’t like, it will only take one drone to wipe your family off the face of the earth.
The ones that cry the hardest about their second amendment are the ones that voted for this. The ones that want tyranny, because being tyrannical is OK so long as it’s against those whiney losers you oppose.
The ones that want the second amendment are the ones that are so uintelligent and insecure that they need to buy a gun, or multiple guns.
Shit like this makes me hate the past 5 years of Canadian liberalism that banned almost all semi-auto rifles and froze the handgun registery (meaning no new handguns may be purchased).
Cry me a river.