• ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
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    Habeas corpus was a fundamental right in English speaking countries going back to the Magna fucking Carta. It is incredible how fast everything is falling apart.

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      It’s not like removing the online copy removes the law. This is all just smoke and mirrors trying to distract from Trump’s involvement with Epstien’s child rape business.

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      What’s going on right now is actually a fantastic example of why this whole “people can have guns to overthrow a tyrant!” has been nothing more than a delusion used to justify having a gun fetish. It’s 2025. Your gun will do absolutely nothing against the literal trillion dollars of annual spending you’ve approved for your own military and intelligence agencies.

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        That trillion dollars is designed to fight conventional armies and extremist Islamist terrorist cells in Africa and the Middle East. Our military apparatus is simply not capable of stopping any single individual, or small group(s), from randomly deciding to crash out. Unless the NSA/CIA/FBI/WTF/BBQ suddenly gain the power to read every person’s mind, there’s not a thing wealthy sociopaths can do to effectively wield the military against citizens in a way that makes it safe for those same sociopaths to walk down the street.

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        I think it would make a difference. You saw how fast Elon started using his kid as a shield and others basically stayed off the streets after UH CEO got lit up. They’d be VERY scared if an unknown person started knocking them off, maybe 1 a month for a year, I think it’d send a VERY clear message. Especially if it’s released why they got popped. Behavior would change quick.

        The only reason we have shitty people make terrible, illegal decisions right now is because no one is holding them accountable. A .308 round would change that shit quick fast in a hurry.

      • BigDiction@lemmy.world
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        Most American gun owners would probably get assigned dish duty in the Mujahideen, but there’s multiple precedents for effectively countering a military like the US, as hard and brutal and costly as it is.

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        Right? How is an AR-15 going to save anyone against a drone strike? The target doesn’t even hear anything, one moment they’re alive and the next they’re not. Doesn’t even have to be an explosive, like a firearm isn’t going stop the government.

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          I highly suggest reading up on asymmetrical wars fought throughout history. It is effectively impossible for a conventional army to track down and eliminate forces that merge and move seamlessly within the citizenry. The only group that’s ever had even marginal modern success with slowing (not stopping) a guerilla threat is Israel, and that’s because they don’t give a shit about leveling civilian areas and massacring innocent women and children, and movement in/out of the extremely small geographic area of Palestine is restricted by multiple (fortified & mined) borders on every side. There is zero chance any military force, even our own, could segment and subjugate our ENTIRE country like Israel has Palestine, nor would they have anything close to local popular support to pull it off if they did.

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      Would you be saying this if orange man wasn’t in office?

      If not, then you’re part of the problem.

      • Tuukka R@sopuli.xyz
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        Huh? “I want to overthrow a tyrannical president” would have been an important thing to say when there was no tyrannical president?

        Why?

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          He never mentioned the president, I did and I’m of course referring to how the current president is a symptom of bigger issues.

          Are you going to show us all how you’ve been conditioned to think it’s left vs. right instead of up vs. down? Go on, I don’t expect more from you.

          Liberals love money, too, which is why useful idiots can’t criticize them for it.

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            Uh? What does this have to do with left and right? There’s no left in the US. (Okay, there is, but for what I know, there isn’t even one leftist party either in Senate or in Congress. But maybe I’m wrong and not everything is just republicans+democrats?)

            Still, at least the president has been either from Republicans or Democrats for the last century at least, so talking about “left vs. right” is kind of moot in this context of talking about US presidents. (Though, I don’t know, maybe one of the parties has been somewhat leftist before WWII? I have no idea if that’s been the case, because I was only born in the 1980’s and might be too young to know something I’m maybe assumed to know?)

    • OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world
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      My concern is that if we were to exercise our 2nd amendment rights to eliminate this totalitarian regime and then install a proper democratically-elected progressive administration, what’s to stop the Fox News types from riling up the MAGA masses into “taking back” the government and eliminating our new regime? Violence begets violence. There has to be a better way.

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        This isn’t an argument you can win. People have spent too much time watching romanticized war movies and documentaries and don’t understand what the personal cost of this would be. It sounds nice and all “rah rah rah let’s get them” but this would to MILLIONS dying and elites still maintaining control in the end.

        • Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works
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          Yeah, I have run into a lot of keyboard warriors telling people to commit acts of violence to stop the regime, all while not doing anything of the sort. I doubt many, if any, of these people have ever been in a fight, let alone killed someone.

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              Ah yes, the fighting a local force, in very difficult terrain, you do not have experience, with is a directly comparable situation to the local force, who know every inch of land they are on, and spend most of their time training in, without having to move half way across the planet first, argument.

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                I genuinely think that many of these people think that they can hole up in their rural cabin with a bunch of guns and just wait it out while everyone else does the fighting and dying.

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                  Oh definitely. I know some people who are actually planning on this. There is a fucking graded road to their cabin, and it is only about an hour outside of a major city… like, they might leave you alone because you are out of the way, and inconsequential, but the moment they want that land, road, or you do something they don’t like, it will only take one drone to wipe your family off the face of the earth.

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      The ones that cry the hardest about their second amendment are the ones that voted for this. The ones that want tyranny, because being tyrannical is OK so long as it’s against those whiney losers you oppose.

      The ones that want the second amendment are the ones that are so uintelligent and insecure that they need to buy a gun, or multiple guns.

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      Everything is a distraction from everything else. Almost all of it actually is fucking important, so even if it’s distracting from Epstein, it’s still a major fucking concern

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        Seriously. How much has the mainstream corporate media covered our newly minted gestapo that’s better funded than most militaries? Or gee idk, maybe followed the money? Ohh, it’s going into their boss’s pocket and they aren’t allowed to talk about it?

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    For all you youngn’s, even if parts of the US constitution is removed from the random government entity’s website—it’s still available in many MANY forms. So like. Don’t think this means anything other than making things about as hard to access as they were like 15 years ago (which is to say not that hard).

    Just cause a government website doesn’t have some information does not mean that laws have or have not changed.

    • haloduder@thelemmy.clubBanned
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      The older I get, the more I realize the slippery slope fallacy isn’t a fallacy at all.

      You shouldn’t be so confident in your ‘wisdom’ if you’re older than most of us and you haven’t reached that conclusion yet.

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      This isn’t about making it harder to access your rights. It’s signalling what rights you’ve lost. Who can advocate for your freedoms when the highest courts follow this new doctrine?

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      Please explain any reason why the parts that the regime in the US specifically detests and have stated multiple times are not true would be removed due to a “data issue”.

      Please explain how one can request a court apperance after being dissapeared by a paramilitary group with alegence to the regime that’s better funded than the Russian millitary, when the library of Congress does not have a section on due process.

      Please explain when the president declares that the country is being invaded and anyone he deems subversive is now labeled a terrorist enemy of the state, how one can request their rights when the parts of the Constitution no longer say that only Congress has the power to say the country is being invaded?

      This is not just some random government site. This is the library of Congress. This is the first result of the word “Constitution” on every major internet search engine.

      This is not a slippery slope, this is a drop into a camouflaged pitfall onto sharpened stakes covered in shit.

      This was a test to see if we would notice, if we would care or be indifferent, if we would speak up.

      I doubt there will be a formal explanation or investigation that will explain any of this to any degree out side of “opps, it was just a technical error” as if it could be an honest mistake to delete specific parts of a document which never has anything ever removed from it, only ever amended.

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        I think it’s more likely a test for the remaining, formerly Republican but essentially democracy-minded constitution worshipping government employees, military personnel etc. to see who speaks up (or at all) about it. For example if a mid level general starts making noise in a channel that Trump’s minions have access to, saying they don’t like what’s going on and someone should do something and if they don’t maybe I will- boom, loyalty tested. Similar with media talking heads etc. it’s easy to assume these people are stupid or careless - they often act that way, and in some ways fundamentally are. But I doubt this was anything other than deliberate bait. You have to ask yourself, for whom? Why? Why now?

      • Allemaniac@lemmy.world
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        those people will always call everyone alarmists and doomsayers, until they can’t because the last of their freedom laws have been quietly removed. The Nazi party in Germany didn’t start roaring and revolting, it started as a fed up minority that kept screaming so loud until everyone believed they were the majority. Stand up, fight for your and your neighbours freedoms and dont give those rightwing populists even an inch

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    This doesn’t appear to be true. The website still shows the full constitution. It’s more likely someone has meddled with the archive.

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    Sorry Americans, it’s getting really hard to be sympathetic towards those of you who claim to be opposed to this shit show.

    Your inaction is enabling this behaviour.

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        I think you should complain about it online, “follow” protest groups on Facebook, wear edgy shirts about genocide. Maybe even post some both sides memes just to spice things up.

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          Got it. So you’ve got nothing to contribute. I figured if you’re calling out inaction, you’d know what to do.

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      People are being rounded up and sent to concentration camps. It’s real easy to play armchair game theorist here, but in order to properly fight back people need safe places to retreat to who will defend you from being kidnapped or outright executed.

      There’s plenty of people rebelling btw.

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      They are the ones telling you to get a gun yourself. They expect you to do it for them.

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      most of those nutjobs believe in the segragating ideology of the trump regime, they WANT to see others be put down for “exploiting” them and their wallets

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    From George Orwell’s Animal Farm:

    “My sight is failing,” [Clover] said finally. “Even when I was young I could not have read what was written there. But it appears to me that that wall looks different. Are the Seven Commandments the same as they used to be, Benjamin?”

    For once Benjamin consented to break his rule, and he read out to her what was written on the wall. There was nothing there now except a single Commandment. It ran:

    ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS