Yeah, I’ll agree. But damn, I’m sick to death of that crappy meme!
Yeah, but modern economy wants you to buy a new one ideally every year, so it doesn’t work for that.
Which includes fossil fuels & other things we burn & release as gases.
OK, no more fossil fuels. Now what?
Everything else? Right now I think advances in battery tech are what would help the most.
And maybe you could label Uranium and Thorium as “fossil” fuels if you want to be picky about it, but I think nuclear fission is the “bridge fuel” that we needed when we were sold natural gas instead.
Batteries aren’t energy sources, and frankly, nuclear power sucks.
Too many definitional loopholes.
We should restrict plastic severely and go back to paper, metal, glass, wood, and natural fiber cloth for all product packaging. It can be done, because that’s how we did it before plastic.
I’ll give you an idea…my wife keeps all the thin plastic food containers from when we bring food from a restaurant. Now we have hundreds of reusable containers. We don’t need to buy new plastic containers or plates!
So instead of selling the food in thin containers that eventually become planters or paint buckets, why not let people bring their own Tupperware or plates from home?
So instead of selling the food in thin containers that eventually become planters or paint buckets, why not let people bring their own Tupperware or plates from home?
Food safety reasons. The restaurant then has to clean any random container people bring in, because it represents a contamination risk to the kitchen.
Then they should use PVA based plastic containers. PVA can plasticized like other polymers but it can dissolve in water and get eaten by bacteria. In fact if done without dangerous chemicals you can eat pva.
What are you talking about?
No. Back up and read the original problem. How does using dissolvable containers help this problem? How does this let people bring in their own containers? You just saw a discussion involving plastic and decided to shoehorn in a reference to a completely irrelevant plastic product.
I think most people agree with this idea. There are two basic problems preventing it.
- There is a giant gap between what people believe they should be doing and what they’ll actually do voluntarily when faced with the slightest inconvenience.
Basically you have to make people do inconvenience things. You can’t ask.
For example single-use shopping bags. Everyone understands why they are a problem. Every store sells a reusable alternative. Recyclable paper bags have always been an option. But unless it’s regulated, people continue using disposable single use plastic shopping bags.
- The problem isn’t just what can be recycled it’s what WILL be recycled.
Imagine going through construction debris trying to separate plaster, wood-lathing wire-lathing, screws, and insulation into separate piles for disposal.
Picture the average grandma disassembling a sump pump to make sure plastic rubber Teflon and metal materials all end up in separate recyclable piles.
No where does it say that consumers should be required to do these things. Just that if the only end of life possibility for a product is the land fill, then we should restrict it’s manufacturing. Obviously there would need to be exceptions for things like medical needs or accessibility accomodations.
So we don’t want to achieve the recycling, repair, and re-use, we just want to know it’s theoretically possible?
No where did I say that, you obtuse troll.
And this is why bags are no longer free where i live and cost up to 40c a piece. People quickly stopped using them haha
The inconvenience of the price became larger than always having a reusable bag in the car or bike heheWe banned them here too. I always forget my reusable bags and toss a loose assortment of goods in my trunk to tumble around.
Oh, i get one of the cardboard boxes the shops let you take then haha. That and i have 3, reusable bags in the car and a collapsable plastic box to put my shoppings into xD
I agree but money and profit trump all of this so it is more like a fantasy.
Surely there is a word starting with re- for compost…
Recomposted 👍
I bought an air purifier last winter. Now I can’t find a replacement filter anywhere. Fuck that forced obsolescence crap.
As someone in the repair industry, I can tell you this meme is nonsense.
Refurbished, reused, repaired, or otherwise remanufactured parts are almost always inferior to new ones. That’s not opinion, that’s reality. They’ve always been worse and always will be, at least until corporations stop playing the profit maximization game.
The truth is, these companies don’t care about quality. Their only goal is to spend the absolute minimum making old parts “usable” again, which leads to a massive percentage of defective components flooding the market.
This is the exact point of the meme, see the second frame.
I guess if you need more explicit speech you could add “to as good as or better than new condition” to the first frame.
Repaired parts, yes.
But you can use new parts to repair an existing device to as good or even better condition.
Old parts can then be recycled. If the part can’t be recycled, see the OP meme.
Add practically to the first statement
You underestimate how far the slightest ambiguities can be stretched and distorted.
I didn’t think they’re underestimating anything, I think they’re pointing out that an absolute like this would be pretty devastating. Like if we applied this to medical equipment, it would be pretty terrible. And even if you made an exception for something like medical equipment, that’s a regulated category of goods, and would still massively reduce the amount of waste produced, even if people used loopholes created by that exception.
Give me the enthropy reversal machine LadyButterfly! Divulge your secrets!
Well I mean if it can be reduced then it should be removed, lol, that one doesn’t belong in the list.
Surprised nobody linked the song yet:
Prime example here is refrigerators. If you get a leak in the refrigerant line, your refrigerator is pretty much toast. I found this out the hard way when I wanted to repair one. They don’t even have taps that you could refill it with. I had assumed there would be something like with a car’s air conditioner where you could add refrigerant and recharge it. Instead, it’s a closed system and because of the way that they are designed, to recharge a refrigerator well over $3,000, because the technician has to tap into the line and reseal it after they top it off which requires specialized tools, so basically if anything happens with that system, you’re better off buying a whole new refrigerator. Super wasteful design imo. I guess one could argue that by making it not sealed it could be more prone to leaks over time, but it’s still wild that you don’t have the option of filling it with maybe 10 bucks worth of refrigerant and instead have to scrap the whole machine.
They have piercing valves that cost a few bucks, shredder valves are also less than five dollars. These are typical and easy repairs for for household refrigeration. I do it daily.
Depending on what the job requires it’s 125 to 500 to refill a system.
Most fridge manufacturers don’t put access valves on their sealed systems because they cost more money and are significantly more prone to leaking.
I mean, I fix my own fridges and appliances and do small appliance work for my friends and neighbors, but I already own the required tools so I’m really just charging for some time and the refrigerant.
134a is still cheap, and no company worth their salt should be charging a fee to customers so that specialized tools can be purchased. If you don’t own the tools of the trade, that’s a company problem, not a customer problem.
3000 dollars was a “I don’t want to do it price”
For people I don’t know, I do charge about 300 bucks to just show up, because that covers operating costs and an hour of my time. But unless the system was pulling into a vacuum, it shouldn’t take longer than an hour or so to recover the refrigerant, patch the leak, pull a vacuum, and recharge. So yeah, if your fridge is only worth 500 bucks, it’s not worth it. But if it’s an expensive fridge it might be worth it to find an appliance technician that will charge you a fair rate to repair the damage.
I might have misremembered the price. I just remember it being prohibitively expensive vs just getting another fridge. I ended up just getting a free one off nextdoor n tossing the old one. It was a garage fridge. Having said that, I can see what you’re saying about if someone had a higher end fridge.
I actually love doing appliance repair as side jobs. Most of the time it’s a cheap part that I have on hand and it’s a quick fix.
Unfortunately, just my hourly rate usually makes some people second guess if it’s a good idea, which is fair, because manufacturers have made their products so bare bones and cheap that is often cheaper to buy a new one then have someone diagnose and repair it. It’s a real shame, because you do end up with literal tons of equipment that gets scrapped every day because of a 10 dollar relay or capacitor that went bad.
