How long will people
The Gestapo could be hauling them away in cuffs and putting them away in camps and some will just go “why is this happening to me? there must be some mistake”
Anyone who is still on the fence is either only tuned into propaganda or is incapable of reasoning.
Or still thinks that the leopard won’t eat their face, because it hasn’t so far.
Yeah, for many the leopard has to actually be eating their face directly at the moment for it to be a problem.
There has to be some serious level of being downtrodden that’s required to like empathy for everyone else in the world that’s not them.
You’re pretty much already there, bucko. I know it’s a silly image but if you’re only starting to worry now then you got a lot of catching up to do.
That’s the joke though… the picture is from a sketch where one Nazi officer tells another that he’s starting to worry that they’re the baddies, after he realizes that their hats have skulls on them.
Falls asleep … someone sharpies ‘I’M A BIG FAT FASCIST’ across their forehead.
Goes about their life for a month without ever noticing … even when using a mirror.
To be fair, you’re not supposed to accept it. But the fascists sure would like it if you did.
And make sure you protest in ways the fascists approve of: no violence (the facists wouldn’t like that) and make sure you’re waving American flags (the fascists like to see American flags).
But remember you also gotta protest in ways the Dems would like too. So nothing too aggressive, and if your idea is anything less than perfect we should just not do it anyways.
(Actually we should protest like the French with fire bombs and guillotines)
Yep, a higher percentage of Americans support trump than weimar republic Germans ever supported Hitler. Fascist don’t have to engage in electoralism once they securely seize the power of the pulpit.
I’m done caring about America as a whole, I’m creating my mutual defense/support networks with friends and family and preparing for the worse. Democrats are still stuck in thirdway politics as the Reichstag burns to the ground.
Securing your local community is the smartest thing to be doing right now
The way Hitler took over with such a small support was by dividing the remaining citizens into smaller groups. Unity is our most powerful asset in resistance.
Trump has also failed to obtain abject loyalty of the military, which will prevent him from control by force.
Trump has also failed to obtain abject loyalty of the military, which will prevent him from control by force.
The problem is that also mimics hitler’s ascent to totalitarian control. Even at the height of his power lots of career soldiers and especially sailors were never really ideologically aligned with Hitler. Unfortunately, at the end of the day people in the military follow orders.
That’s not accurate. Germany had a strict top-down chain of military command, hence the Nuremberg trials defense of “just following orders.” After the trials, the US military was redesigned with a break above the Commanding Officer. The CO must verify the legality and constitutionality of orders before giving orders to the troops, just as it’s the responsibility of the troops to refuse to follow illegal or unconstitutional orders. CO’s have the JAGs, or Judge Advocate General Corps, who are legal advisors at the CO’s disposal to ensure they have the resources needed to remain accountable to the law and Constitution.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/german-armed-forces-high-command
That’s not accurate. Germany had a strict top-down chain of military command, hence the Nuremberg trials defense of “just following orders.”
The Nuremberg trials, like most international laws were an invention of convenience. If someone attempted to apply them to US action in a foreign intervention today, they would not be successful. In fact the US has stated that they would sooner invade a system like the ICC than allow them to prosecute anyone in the military.
After the trials, the US military was redesigned with a break above the Commanding Officer. The CO must verify the legality and constitutionality of orders before giving orders to the troops, just as it’s the responsibility of the troops to refuse to follow illegal or unconstitutional orders.
This may be a fact in doctrine, but in practice the military has historically has failed to fulfill this particular commitment. There have been several examples of US troops committing illegal actions commanded by officers without legal retribution.
You can refuse to follow orders you think are illegal, but more often than not it’s a career ending action or punishable offense if not proven in court…and military court is not exactly a non biased apparatus of justice.
This system depends on young soldiers with minimal educations and rights to stand up to a system that has an immencse amount of control over their lives. A system that has proven to defend higher command and officers in most cases, and to defend its overall image over anything.
Even higher commands ability to stand up to the commander in chief is limited, we can see this in the news today with active duty military members being deployed state side to conduct what is fairly obvious policing actions in LA and on the US border in a direct violation of posse comitatus.
You’re using an argument for the exceptions as the rule. It’s wildly sensationalist.
Out of 4,100 National Guard members and 700 Marines dispatched to LA, there has been one detainment of a US citizen, and no arrests. Detainment is currently being debated as a possible violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-marines-carry-out-first-known-detention-civilian-los-angeles-video-shows-2025-06-13/
There are also many instances of the National Guard laying down their riot shields, and even taking a knee to support citizens in peaceful protest. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/06/02/tennessee-national-guard-troops-lay-down-riot-shields-at-protesters-request/
The US has not signed the Rome Statute, and is therefore not beholden to the laws of the ICC unless in a nation that has signed said agreement.
Out of 4,100 National Guard members and 700 Marines dispatched to LA, there has been one detainment of a US citizen, and no arrests. Detainment is currently being debated as a possible violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-marines-carry-out-first-known-detention-civilian-los-angeles-video-shows-2025-06-13/
My entire point was that the rules that are supposed to protect the general population are often interpreted to serve those in power. Posse Comitatus is supposed to negate the use of military members from being used for policing on US soil.
Meaning that the definition of policing is being semantically interpreted as “arresting people” when in reality policing is defined as prevention and detection of crime and the maintenance of public order.
What other purpose can the military be utilized against the general public other than to maintain public order?
There are also many instances of the National Guard laying down their riot shields, and even taking a knee to support citizens in peaceful protest. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/06/02/tennessee-national-guard-troops-lay-down-riot-shields-at-protesters-request/
First of all, the national guard are not active duty military personnel and can and are utilized in state policing actions. Secondly, laying down shields is not disobeying a direct order. Lastly we have historic examples of national guard members committing massacares against non violent protestors.
The US has not signed the Rome Statute, and is therefore not beholden to the laws of the ICC unless in a nation that has signed said agreement.
My point was that international law a kin to those laid down by the Nuremberg trials do not protect us from fascist utilizing the military against us.
Your claim was that we were granted protections via the establishment of the Nuremberg principals…the Nuremberg principals are now moderated by the ICC via the 1999 Rome statute.
You are just proving my point for me. Internal laws are subject to interpretation via those who currently hold power (fascist), and external laws are inventions of convenience that we do not and have never allowed to truly moderate our countries behavior. My original claim stands, that we are not really in a much different scenario than in Hitler’s Germany.
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THIS. Everyone who’s feeling hopeless needs to get out of the Lemmy echo chamber and find people building the resistance in the real world. It’s actually not hard to do. Go to a protest and talk to people. Look online for a local resistance organization and show up at a meeting. Whatever you do, just don’t give up because that’s exactly what the fascists want.
The recipe has been in play for over a decade, probably more. People can’t stand up if they have nothing to stand on. Everyone is struggling. What the fuck is fascism if you have to concentrate on just surviving. That’s the whole play. They give us just enough to get by so we can live with no time to think. It’s not denial, it’s an orchestrated structure. The system isn’t flawed, it’s working as intended
Add to that several decades of constant far right propaganda disguised as news, and a massive rightward shift of the Overton Window, and you end up with brainwashed citizens willing to cheer this shit on.
Add to that the systematic dismantling of our public education system to ensure that people don’t have the historical and political context to understand the implications of any of it.
They (The Heritage Foundation and their ilk, I guess) really learned a lot of lessons from the Third Reich… This is the culmination of decades of work for these people, and it is working as designed for the most part.
It’s a very difficult trap to escape from. If not impossible.
What is anyone supposed to do? All the checks and balances that are supposed to safeguard against this are non-functional, by choice. The only option is censored from even being mentioned and it means possibly fucking dying.
All the checks and balances that are supposed to safeguard against this are non-functional, by choice.
Follow the money.
So there was no check or balance against money. Well, there was, taxes. But that stopped working mid century.
Only censored on reddit.
Only moderated on reddit. The censorship is everywhere because we’re being watched everywhere - if you post concrete plans on Lemmy, you’ll get a knock on the door.
Aren’t there a lot more civilian gun owners than law enforcement? I thought that was the idea behind the second amendment
I thought that was the idea behind the second amendment
No, the idea was that a good militia is all you need to keep a country safe, and that a federal army is a tool for government oppression. That’s what the writers saw all over Europe at the time, so they made sure the fix that in their new country.
And then everyone pretended that wasn’t the case
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Trump WANTS that to happen. This is the desired outcome for him.
Trump wants people to not resist him at all. He’s still trying to retaliate against places where the “No Kings” protests took place and those were completely peaceful.
This is the insidious thing about authoritarianism. Once they have power, they can crush any dissent no matter what the dissenters do.
Peaceful protest? Crush it. If it gains any actual traction, just pretend it’s violent to justify violent oppression. Facts don’t matter and words can casually justify any action, no matter how heinous.
But violent opposition? The authoritarians dream of this, because it’s justification to bring everything they have to bear with zero accountability or justification. And since they are in power, they will have much greater force at their disposal. This is why Americas founders originally opposed the very idea of a professional standing army.
Technically you only need one bullet. A lot of this support for Maga in the US hinges on just one guy. Who would replace him? There is no one who will gain as much traction. And remember: as long as dictators die, liberty will never perish.
Next in line is JD “Couchfucker” Vance, which is like Trump, but with more brains (and totally onboard with project 2025); and even if you get him too, the next in line is Christofascist Mike Johnson, who would probably go the shortest route to Gilead if both his predecessors got assassinated.
That’s more shooting luck than anyone will ever get, even if the Secret Service didn’t look too hot when Trump got shot at.
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And yet none of them are able to gather the support Trump has for some reason. DeSantas tried and got nowhere.
He only got nowhere because it was him versus Trump.
I know it’s not feasible, but that is the argument that second amendment proponents make all the time. I would have expected to see them try, at least
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Most gun owners are right wing.
Democratic jurisdictions had “may issue”* laws that allows cops to deny you a gun permit. The Democratic establishment keeps pushing out propaganda that “guns are bad”.
This is a great way to discourage minority gun ownership while promoting gun ownership to conservative white men.
If ranked choice exist, I’d rank Democrats very close to last (only republicans and other right wing parties would be ranked lower)
*Since the 2022 Bruen decision, the US Supreme Court has struck down most “may issue” laws. Ironically the 6 right wing dipshits made a right decision. Broken clock, twice a day.
Doing nothing means possibly fucking dying as well.
Might as well go out being Player 2.
it’s america. if a masked random person attempts to abduct you, you fight for your life. and you do the same if you see it happening to someone else
And if it turns out to be a cop or ice agent, can you be charged, imprisoned or legally killed for doing so? There are laws for declaring that you’re an officer, that was a safeguard so people could reasonably defend themselves. How strongly is that being protected right now under Trump?
It’s not out of context, that’s exactly what is happening.
The same way they have been in denial until now. Why did you wait for trump to comes to terms with it?
Before we elected Trump, the fascism was still nascent. Ur-Fascism as Eco called it.
It’s dishonest to pretend that this is the same level of fascism that we’ve been experiencing for decades. It’s not. Trump and the Heritage Foundation kicked it into overdrive.
It’s dishonest to pretend that this is the same level of fascism that we’ve been experiencing for decades.
You know what’s dishonest? Not acknowledging most governments have been fascists for decades.
Being relatively a child, mostly. Add to that the apparent social progress of Obamas presidency.
Right , bombing the middle east and deporting thousands of inmigrants was progress apparently
It’s a little funny that the Dumpies will ask “What rights did ICE ignore?” like due process isn’t the rule of law. Those people are online everyday threatening death and violence to just about anything. Their own internet post history is going to lead to them to the same fate if the coup is successful.
“Due process only applies to citizens” is what they’ll say. Which is bullshit, but that won’t stop them from parroting it.
When you ask them how someone proves their citizenship while being arrested, they’ll just get angry at you.
We aren’t supposed to accept that law enforcement just does as it pleases, ignoring our civil rights and protections and donning standard identification markers so that each officer can be uniquely identified. But this is not all that new.
Most of the time we don’t know we’re being kidnapped by g-goons or the police are ignoring our rights until they’re doing it, and we can only hope we get our day in court to challenge the arrest.
Since the development of DEA, the US courts have been carving out more and more exceptions to the fourth and fifth amendments of the Constitution of the United States, and by even the 90s (with some big thanks to RICO laws / rulings) we are no longer policed by consent, but by force, because there’s no one around with more firepower to stop them.
This was only noticed by minorities, especially in the 1990s with the crackdowns against street gangs and feral youths. At that point we were seeing ur-fascism feature #8 ( The enemy is both too strong and too weak ) where street gangs are described as feral youths who can’t be negotiated with, while the same gang is an international organized-crime syndicate.
Then the 9/11 attacks happened, and the PATRIOT act was signed, and DHS was formed, and we noticed that some Americans, typically Muslim Arab-Americans, but sometimes Persian-Americans, sometimes Sikhs…really anyone who looked too middle-eastern, got disappeared by LGMs (dudes who look like cops but without personal or department identification, sometimes without the yellow POLICE plates), and rendered abroad to black sites to get tortured. But much of the US overlooked it because we were sore about WTC1 and WTC2.
(some of us screamed like Cassandra that this was a big move towards fascist autocracy, but I digress)
When Obama took over FBI was searching hard for terrorists in US borders but couldn’t find many, and had to invent some (Remember Kellyanne Conway’s Bowling Green Massacre? In the actual Bowling Green event no-one died but two refugees were gaslighted by FBI with a budget into doing some inoffensive para-terrorist work, and entrapped into terrorism charges. They’re still serving time.)
By then, our massive surveillance state was in operation and all of the US’ internet traffic went through NSA, and when there were Islamist militants who were thinking about a plot to suicide bomb an American asset, we’d send a predator drone to literally burn his village down: the CIA drone program killed 50 civilians – including grandmothers and children-- for every person-of-interest neutralized. We learned that while video games don’t make kids violent, making real-world warfare like a video game still meant the operator squeezing the trigger got PTSD. US drone programs had a turnover rate about as bad as German einsatzgruppen (death squads who mass executed villages for betrayal or harboring Jews).
So in 2016 when Trump won, Cassandra over here screamed about the Obama administration disabling all the mass intelligence state and surveillance state assets before Trump could get a hold of them.
We got a break, as Trump pissed off CIA and the rest of the intelligence community, so they weren’t talking for a while, but then, somehow, when he had a Heritage Foundation plan and staffers who knew what structures were in place, we elected him President of the United States for a second time. Even despite his insurrection charges (which were stalled until moot).
So yeah, the previous administrations, knowing this was going to be a problem gave the Trump regime is very own SS / Brownshirt secret police (who behave a lot like the Sicherheitsdienst under Reinhard Heydrich) complete with a concentration camp system that is overflowing due to purge quotas.
During the 2020 George Floyd protests, there was a move to abolish ICE who had been hunting undocumented folk and were sent in to brutalize the demonstrations, which only pissed off more Americans, and there was a movement to Abolish ICE (what was always just a paramilitary department to serve the will and interests of the current administration, id est, a secret police).
We are now suffering the consequences of having failed to follow through.
Watch videos from the Mustard Mussolini’s events. His supporters would gladly sign up for that.
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For some it’ll probably take til his fourth
What pic are they referencing?
All of them. Every picture of ICE agents and many law-enforcement personnel in the US are now hiding their faces as standard practice and we all just kinda shrugged and took it as given, because the dudes on the cover of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 83 wear face masks so it’s just what badass dudes do, right??
Third term? I’d be glad if we came to terms with it by his 6th term.
Sigh
I am fully prepared for writing off this entire fucking generation.
We’re going to enter dictatorship, tyranny, wars without end, mass waves of poverty, degradation of all our comforts and rights, and techno-feudalism and the average American literally- Does. Not. Care.
This is the way the pendulum swings sometimes. A massive group of people have to literally fucking rot in misery for no reason before their kids grow up and start anew with renewed energy and drive. I know this generation certainly doesn’t have it. Let’s not be fooled by millions of people turning out for celebratory marches on a single weekend. We all know that won’t do anything and it will be a miracle if we can muster up enough group momentum to even get that again.
You may be prepared to give up, but the rest of us aren’t. I hope you find your hope before it’s too late.
Who’s the rest of us? As far as I can tell, there isn’t anybody actually doing shit. Well, maybe one or two people. And a misguided and toothless protest isn’t going to achieve anything, no matter how many people show up. I hope you find your rest of us before it’s too late.
going on a half-century and seeing everyone make the same stupid mistakes over and over, seeing generations not only not pass down wisdom but actively abandon the next generation over and over, it makes it hard to have hope.
I respect and support anyone trying to make change, I will continue to do what I can in my situation, but I don’t have expectations anymore. At a point I’ll be retreating to the woods with my loved ones to close out the world and spend more time gardening than scrolling.
and seeing everyone make the same stupid mistakes over and over
Propaganda has improved. People don’t have communities. It’s worse. People have to be more clever than before to compensate.
The top 10% with an absolute absurd amount of the wealth are the ones that don’t care. Their miney, therefore their lifestyle seems safe.
The poorest idiots care deeply but think Trump is on their side and will come down to sweep them up right before it gets really miserable cause he needs to break standards of living for all the rich for them to rise up.
What will get people to finally pivot is unknowable. It will be when there is nothing left to lose, probably. If that ever happens without help from the outside, I dunno. It’s not like Germans could Stop Germany from the inside or Japan it’s fascism, or any other group.
But I think it’s wrong to say the average American doesn’t care. The over represented, as always, dont care, which includes out government. The average American agrees deeply we just don’t have much power and all disagree on the solution.The average American agrees deeply we just don’t have much power and all disagree on the solution.
And this has been a manufactured outcome. The average american is a victim of several different competing and collaborating forces who used the KGB playbook to amplify all the worst takes on both sides of every social issue in America. This isn’t wild conspiracy talk, it was exposed, we
havehad a CIA department developed just to combat this tactic. It’s been done in other places to great success as well. It’s part of the recipe for taking down entire nations.What happens is when every social issue, no matter how small or benign or silly, gets amplified on social media to absurd levels of contention and confusion and then boosted to national news outlets, it leaves citizens tired, confused and checked out on literally everything. Nobody cares about making their world better because they don’t know how to take cues from others anymore. So now when the state delivers messages, people default to agreeing with it. It’s why we have people believing the silliest nonsense that the Trump administration pushes out, it’s why people elected him and the rest didn’t even care enough to vote.
This has all been the product of people with the wealth to hire farms of trolls and influencing agents spread through every level of our society in ways both subtle and overt. If you can break a society you can then reshape it into whatever you want.
Yeah, pretty depressing huh?
Hopefully effort becomes cool again.
Hopefully effort becomes cool again.
This is a succinct line about the state of things.
I talk to a lot of young men who are being pulled right towards people like Andrew Tate and his spawn, because they’re confused and angry that they can’t get dates and don’t have friends, meanwhile they don’t talk with any level of passion or pride about anything in their lives, make no effort to take care of themselves or have pride in their clothes, their presentation or their way of speaking, when they’re around other guys it’s the Sarcasm Olympics, and anyone who talks frankly about their feelings gets mocked… and then these guys will go on to scream how they deserve more from others and how they’re victims.
“We did not know, but even if we could what could we do?”
The guys so old, I’m not sure hell make it through this term. He’s clearly not well, but that’s what makes this all crazier. Dems at least knew to kick out their senile old man, how the Republicans are okay with this is wild.
They’re okay with it bc Trump has a cult and many of his cult members are the ones voting the other republicans into office. If they kick out trump, they kick out a bunch of their voter base. Because unfortunately there’s a larger amount of non-cultist republicans that will still vote republican but just not for trump bc “there’s a difference” between the guy doing the bad things and all his best friends “begrudging” helping him do the bad things apparently. Basically they’re delusional about how politics actually work
