Raise your hand if you’re tired of Americans playing the victims while doing nothing
Raised, but I feel like one of them. There’s so little I feel like I can do. I was going to go to a protest but wound up taking a group of scouts to the Indian Museum. Felt like a much better, and more impactful use of my time, and it was magical watching those kids hang on the words of our tour guide, as she told us the story of how they won their land rights.
But that’s the long game, and I am terrified that the short term battles are not being fought.
So many of my friends have just given up, waiting for the next election to fix it. I don’t have any faith that will work though.
I’m not even American and… Yes
Actually, why don’t you go vote instead?
I’m tired of this country sucking all the fucking life out of me.
This is a long standing plan mainly by the Heritage Foundation and the GOP. Musk hacked vote tabulations to deliver them a victory and they’re quickly dismantling America. They stand to inherit lifelong positions in the government without actual elections similar to Russia. There are less than a few thousand people responsible for all of this. Societies degrade rapidly under these scenarios. Remember them when if that happens.
Musk hacked vote tabulations
No he didn’t. Unfortunately, americans are just that stupid. Thats the same rhetoric conservatives were trying to use when they lied about dominion.
Ramapo 35 had democratic senator winning 80% of the vote and Harris received 0 votes. There is a lawsuit currently about this.
Now put your hand down if you’ve been doing nothing about it since 2016
Shits been fucked beyond repair before that…
Remember America is a young nation. Theres groups and organizations, not even nations or governments, that are older than America. America could literally be a side project for those groups. For all we know America is ultimately a project of the Vatican or the free masons. They have 600 years on us. They are older than our nation. Forget being a project of God… America is project made by dumbass human beings. We aren’t godly we are built in the image of idiots basically literally.
Not just Republicans, conservatives in general. All Republicans are conservative, but many Democrats are as well. That needs to change.
Mamdani shows it’s possible to start the purge of the DNC. We need to continue that. Primary every last conservative. Drive them from the DNC, drive them from politics, drive them from political discourse and public life. Authoritarianism must be crushed, Constitutional rights must be restored, and common sense policies for real people must be enacted. If we can’t achieve that, then all is lost and totalitarian neofeudalism will prevail.
Not just Republicans, conservatives in general.
You are correct! I tend to use the two interchangeably when I know that conservatives pushes out to a wider audience.
And frankly, anyone who acts like this was just another election where one side lost is only slightly higher on the totem pole than conservatives are.
A part of purging the dem party means not voting for conservatives if they win the primary. There is a reason the conservatives win primaries despite having less popular policies than the progressives. A conservative dem losing a general purges the party of one more conservative who got us here.
Mamdani shows it’s possible to start the purge of the DNC.
Just worth saying again for the tankies that are very passionate, but seemingly not enough to vote or organize material change. As disappointing as the dems maybe they are still the home of the little progressive wing we have, and we should work into growing it.
I’m tired of both Democrats and Republicans destroying the future, and people pretending Democrats don’t because they do it slightly less
Inb4 somebody starts saying you are just demoralizing people by saying “both sides are bad”
I’m tired of the future being destroyed by capitalists/christian nationalists. That’s been happening for hundreds and thousands of years, every time they gain power, no matter where or when. Republicans are relatively new to this game.
I’m also tired of society having to relearn this lesson at great loss of life and suffering, over and over.
We’re smarter than this, and we far outnumber them.
As an outsider you’re both just as bad as each other, Republicans and Democrats
They’re both horrible but one is less horrible than the other. When you only have two choices you choose the less horrible option because not choosing is choosing the worse option.
Fuck em both. It’s all a culture of sin. It’s the american culture just as much as the political system, if not more.
America chose to grow the dark side of human the element and expects to get its dick sucked and not shot in the face.
50/50 theory, 50% of every culture is “good” and 50% is “evil”. Regardless of left or right. It’s basically built into biology.
It pains me that my fellow Americans cannot see this.
Republicans and Democrats*
BoTh sIdeS!
Not both sides, Dems are barely left/center and have qualities shared with the right. I support far left politics
Which is worse, the person who says they want to hurt you and then does it, or the person who says they want to help you and then doesn’t? Progressivism is still a beneficial ideal, and some Democrats fight for it, while others pay lip-service because they will say anything to be elected. But Conservativism is a plague upon humanity, leeching resources and power to feed those willing to harm others to get it.
So yeah, you can blame the mostly corrupt “good guys” along with the fundamentally selfish “bad guys,” but that doesn’t make them equivalent sides.
Both are still bad though, and progressivism shouldn’t just be an ideal it should be action and resistance against the status quo. The Democrats and their Neoliberalism is harmful. Maybe not as bad as Conservativism, but also still bad.
Dems deliver, but it’s always “n n not good enough” for certain people.
Inb4 replies: The Dems need all 3 houses to pass anything. They’ve had that for, drumroll please, 4 years of the last 24 years. That’s 2 years under Obama and 2 under Biden. Go back further to include Bill Clinton and it’s 6 years of the last 32 years. Go further and it’s 6 years of the last 44 years. And you wonder why progress is slow?
Do they deliver? Did Biden “cancel all student debt for an entire generation” like he said he would? Did the Dems stopped sending weapons to back a genocide? Did they get Medicare for All? Did they make housing affordable? Did they stop our overseas torture programs? Did they stop drone-striking children?
Because I don’t remember them delivering any of that.
I don’t wonder why progress is slow, as it is pretty clear: The Rebuplicans are regressive, and the Democrats mostly impede progress.
Clinton delivered a balanced budget. Obama delivered healthcare - his reward was to lose majority for the next 6 years. Biden delivered most of Build Back Better, the first student debt relief was blocked by the court but another bill was passed that delivered a ton of debt relief. I thought you were just the nnnnot good enough, but honestly I think you’re flat out ignoring everything. And that was with only 2 years each.
But why didn’t they just solve everything, everywhere, all at once, forever and always! Right? Like do you even hear yourself?
Obama delivered a terrible, watered down healthcare change. Biden could have pushed a lot more money out for studen debt relief, but thought that spending the money on the border wall and weapons for Israel was more important.
They could have done drastically more, but spent those 2 years sucking up to corporate doners, and giving consessions to the Republicans instead.
You may think that “please don’t bomb children”, or “please stop giving our tax money to the rich” or “maybe medical debt shouldn’t be the biggest cause of bankruptcy in the US” or “please, make education affordable” is asking too much, but I think it’s not asking enough, and the Dems wouldn’t even deliver on those. They could have, but chose not to.
And back to n-n-n-n-n-not good enough. They were pretty good. Want more? Then vote in more reps so Lieberman can’t water it down. Biden pushed a ton and got a ton of debt relief. First one blocked? He kept pushing. Honestly what are you on thinking he didn’t push for it, it’s back to ignoring.
Yah you’re all over the n-n-n-not good enough. Things take time to draft, write, negotiate, and pass. I seriously wonder what industry y’all work in that you think these things can be done easy peasy in no time flat.
So we’re back to: Want more? Then give them a majority more often than 6 years of the last 44 years. Seriously, let that sink in. 6 measly years out of the last 44 years. That’s nothing. Want supermajority? Then it’s 2.5 months out of the last 44 years. Not 2.5 years, 2.5 months out of the last 44 years. Since 1980. Frankly it’s amazing that we’re not in a worse situation.
Ok this is going nowhere, I keep pointing out what they did and you keep ignoring/nnnot good enough. So the last bit I’ll say to you: Nothing will ever be good enough for you. You have all your excuses lined up and keep at the same thing no matter what’s said. This is why I think catering to the left is a fool’s errand. They will never show up. Never have, and any conversation like this shows they never will. They will go after the center voter instead. Congrats on the biggest self own in history. Ciao.
Yes, I’m not ashamed to say that I think a party that backs a genocide, bombs children, and screws over it’s voting base is not doing good enough. Especially when they seem to have plenty of time to help out the other party, and their corporate doners.
They’ve had plenty of time and opportunity to fix plenty of things, but chose not to. You keep saying that they “only” had 2 years, but I saw them waste those years.
You are also correct: I will never show up for a party that wants to bomb children, or picks a rapist as their candidate, or backs a genocide, or continuously caters to the rich instead of their voters. Why would I support a party that fights against what I want?
edit: Also, when have the Democrats catered to the left? I see them consistently run to the right, but I usually only see them “cater to the left” verbally, on stage when they want votes. Once elected in, they immediately turn back to the right.
You mean delivering NAFTA, sending all the US jobs oversees, which makes up a lot of the rot today, thanks to Clinton? Or do you mean Obama, who bailed out the banks for causing the biggest housing crisis, displacing people from their homes, who turned around and gave all their CEO’s bonuses? The Obama who did nothing to help the people with no homes and did nothing to prevent round two, which analyst predict will happen again, soon? Oh yes, that slow progress.
The uni-party system is corporate/oligarch controlled and corrupt.
Clinton ran on it’s the economy stupid. It’s practically a miracle that anyone wins against an incumbent. But I have to mention this part “You mean delivering NAFTA, sending all the US jobs oversees” Lolololololol. In case you don’t realize, Canada and Mexico are not overseas. China trade was Nixon. Clinton did what now seems impossible: balance the budget.
Obama. Like it or not but bank failure wouldn’t have turned the great recession into the 1930s depression. You being mad about this just tells me you want to rage instead of think logically. That’s twice so far (nafta overseas was the first). But anyway, Obama delivered Healthcare which you conveniently leave out.
Yeah it’s clear you just want to rage, so this is my only reply. So I say it again: 4 years of control out of the last 24 years. Want more progress? Then you need to vote them in more.
Dems deliver
hahahahahha.
Bullshit. Conservatives have done just fine getting everything they wanted without all three branches of government. Democrats are bad at politics, and there are enough corrupt Dems to destabilize the whole party.
That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t vote for Dems. It means we should expect more from them.
GOP by and large wants to block things from happening. They want to hit the big giant pause button on society. And blocking things requires, drumroll please, only 1 of the 3. That’s it. If the GOP has a single 1 of the 3, they can stop literally everything.
Passing bills requires all 3. Stoping things from passing takes 1. Also known as: it’s hard to build things up, and it’s easy to stop things and do nothing.
Yes, agreed, it is easier to obstruct than it is to lead. But Conservatives have been far more effective at both. It’s like a tug of war where one side isn’t holding on to the rope. It doesn’t matter if we’re trying to gain ground or just minimize the damage, Democrats suck at both.
I’ll point you back to the math. 6 years in the last 44 years.
And yes cons fall in line. It’s a saying for a reason. Left is an assortment of infighting and protest non voters. Want more? Then sure then they can win with without catering to the center. Again see the math.
If both sides are ruining the future, it also matters which one is worse if you have to choose one. In this context, you dont need to choose only one
Come on everybody. Pointing out that the Democrats are also failing us in different ways is NOT bOtH siDEz!!
Yes it is because the degree of damage caused are different orders of magnitude.
So you admit you are siding with a party thats actively damaging people. I count that as progress.
Tankies like yourself have done the most damage by dissuading people from voting for Democrats and giving us the shitstorm we have now. Get fucked.
Hard disagree. War crimes lite is still war crimes and UNACCEPTABLE, and shameful, especially from those that would call themselves dems. Whats tolerated is whats encouraged. You normalized and permitted those crimes and have pissed all over our democracy in the process. Palestinian blood is on my party’s hands because of your weakness and idiot biden’s open corruption.
As to your telling me to get effed, I only accept criticism from those I respect so whine all you want, criminal. Sounds fine to me. I’d sooner listen to the opinions of a two year old child than a centrist Dem like you.
Likewise your opinion is dogshit to me. I’m glad the Palestinians are doing so much better under Trump. Blocking you now tankie.
Blocking you now tankie.
hooray!!
The Democratic leaders dissuaded people from voting for Dems by putting up terrible candidates, and terrible policies, after openly fighting against what their voter-base wanted. It’s been my experience that telling your voter-base to sit down, shut up and accept table-scraps is not a winning strategy. Maybe the Democrats should try a different strategy, like, I dunno, fighting for what their voters want.
Two accomplices are responsible for the damage, one does the deed, the other intentionally puts up ineffective resistance to those deeds. Our legal system has a term for this: accessory to the crime. It carries significant penalties for a reaaon.
Definitely
Ignoring the problems with democrats and only focusing on just how terrible republicans are will only lead back to where we are right now
It’s a vicious cycle
Republican and and Democrats*Humans
- conservatives
The letter doesn’t matter, their policy positions do
Meme mentions republicans ruining the country. Know before I even click on it that the comments will all be about “B-but the democrats are just as b-bad!”
Typical Lemmy.
Big brain moves, using 98% hitler to defeat 100% hitler.
You’re so fucking delulu that you think Democrats are 98% Hitler. Lmao.
You seemed to take this one personally, im sorry.
Nah. It’s just fucking hilarious that you would say something that retarded unironically.
I’ve scrolled a few pages now and haven’t seen a single one of those. Weird. I guess I’ll keep going. I wouldn’t generalize Lemmy like that though.
There are two possibly three in this thread alone. Stop being intentionally myopic.
intentionally myopic
Uh. I was just giving my experience? In fact I was intentionally open-minded, saying I would look further. The fuck? Who is myopic here?
Maybe actually take two seconds to look next time before deciding to comment denying their existence.
Bro, I literally wrote that I scrolled a few pages already and didn’t see any. Maybe take a moment to read what I write?
So rude.
This thread is full of it.
I’ll keep looking 😄
Some of them are. Specifically, Nancy Pelosi and Schumer. Establishment shills to the max. AOC, Bernie, and Jasmine Crocket are our hope for the future, although I’m a bit aggravated with Bernie’s corporate donors. AOC does not accept money from large corporations. She is the obvious leader of the party.
I just want free public transit, affordable housing//rent/food/bills and some free time to actually enjoy being alive, is that too much to ask?
Fill your bottle with one hand while working with the other. Don’t bother washing your hands, they’ll return the merchandise you’re mailing out anyway.
/s if you really need it
Republicans: Yes, you entitled whiny millenial. Also, no one wants to work. Also you are probably a groomer.
You filthy communist.
-actual nazi magats
What do I raise for the present and the past?
The Republicans have a position for that.
You just lay on your back and pull your ankles over your head.
Everything reminds me of her…