Victor

Are police also “responsible” for “letting crime happen”? I don’t understand the reasoning here.

That’s exactly what I’m thinking happened, yes. Hard to know for sure, but Vance is doing some heavy hand gestures, when he said “diplomacy”, that would’ve fucked with anybody’s patience I think 😅

I just don’t think it adds up, because Zelenskyj was thanking Trump and saying God bless Trump and being appreciative in demeanor all the way up until Vance’s horse shit. To me it just seems like he took so much offense to Vance’s remark about diplomacy that he couldn’t keep it in. Again, no blame here. But it just seemed like it wasn’t the way it was supposed to go.

Seems to me like there was no point in being there at all except to argue in that case? That’s how I interpret what you are saying. If there were no guarantees in this deal, why is Zelenskyj there in the first place, but to shame them (rightfully)?

If Zelenskyj really had the ambition of accepting a deal here, he should’ve just let it slide. Diplomacy is always a good thing if it’s fair and just. But we all know Vance is full of shit in this case. You have to have the right to defend your land, obviously. We know this.

But starting to question someone and putting someone on the spot on live TV that you’re trying to make a deal with, and making them lose face in front of their own people in their home court, that’s a deal breaker. You could tell because Vance had nothing to retort with other than say Zelenskyj was being disrespectful.

I mean, this is just facts. I don’t like it more than anyone else. This was a shit situation. He needs the deal, but had to swallow a lot of shit if he were to get it, but he chose not to. Respect to him for that, but now it is what it is.

If he felt he didn’t really need the deal, then he chose the right thing to do by not taking bullshit. So good on him.

I don’t think people in this thread realize I’m on Zelenskyj’s side in this. Everyone is just down voting every thing I post because Zelenskyj can do no wrong (❤️) and Trump is a monster (which he is), but negotiations are more nuanced than black and white sometimes lol. There’s psychology at play here. Oh well.

lol, down voted for speculating.

Alright, kid. Talk to me again when you have something else to say than only ad hominems and when you can carry an adult conversation.

JFC.

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Not sure if you fully comprehended what I said.

1. I said Zelenskyj is in the right. He is fully in the right to question Vance with valid questions. But I’m also saying that if you want to negotiate with monsters, you might not want to embarrass and anger them in front of their own people, live on TV. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ Feels like politics 101.
2. I’m not American… Not even on the same continent. 😆 Nice assumption.

Yeah, could be some kind of 300 IQ move but, it didn’t feel like it was planned. It felt like he was just acting emotionally. 😞

Especially when he already has the EU with him. 🤷‍♂️

Zelenskyj had every right to question Vance the way he did, but it wasn’t the right time to do so if he wanted their respect.

It was disrespectful. It hurts me to concede this point. I didn’t want it to be true but I had to see the cause for the fight breaking out, and I hate to admit that it was Zelenskyj who put Vance on the spot in front of everyone like he was on trial, and put him to shame. That’s not something you want to do when you’re trying to make a deal for your people.

Zelenskyj has too much of a backbone, unfortunately. Respect to him, for standing up against bullshit, but it was definitely a case of picking your battles.

Don’t put utopian fantasies in my head 😭

I would’ve thought that would be more aimed towards his own people, as patriotism. Not necessarily a taunt. But. You know. Both are also good.

Leave-lets?

No better than Putin, you could say. Both are real dickbags and need to be put down like animals.