Picking a fight with Hasan Piker while midterms are gearing up is the dumbest fucking idea. The consultant class really is a problem when it comes to meaningful change. (TikTok screencap)
Picking a fight with Hasan Piker while midterms are gearing up is the dumbest fucking idea. The consultant class really is a problem when it comes to meaningful change. (TikTok screencap)
Mobilize them to do what? Not vote?
Isn’t that the guy who was in the Cuba flotilla just last week or so?
The opposite, vote in primaries and try to get people on the ballot worth voting for
Thats the key, if you dont get exactly what you want in the primaries, what do you do?
If there’s no one worth voting for, don’t vote. My disagreements with the candidate I vote for should be about, like, whether billionaires should be taxed at 90% or 95%, not whether or not we should murder a bunch of school children for Israel. There’s a difference between not voting for someone because they’re not exactly what you wanted, and not voting for someone because they’re a war criminal.
Biden had four fucking years to put Trump in jail. Four years to release the Epstein files before Trump got sharpie all over them. Four years to give us healthcare and raise the minimum wage. Instead we got first amendment violations, some infrastructure funding, and an assurance that evangelical christians could spend the next four years trying to bring about the end of the world. I’m not ashamed that I voted for Harris or Biden, but I would not vote for them again. I’ll vote for a party that would fight Republicans, not BLAST them with mean words. If that party is the democrats, great. If not, then I’m not voting democrat. I’ll write in Abraham Lincoln’s Reanimated Corpse before I vote Newsom.
It’s always worth voting for the non-fascist option.
So we can have a different, even worse fascist in four years? Aren’t you tired of settling for “not as evil?” You can say something like “but if Republicans win they’ll make sure that no leftist ever wins again,” but voting blue no matter who got us here, with a republican who’s doing his best to make sure no leftist ever wins again.
The choice is between “fascism now” and “possibly fascism later” and you’re adamant about picking the former. Great logic.
So how many years of fascism will it take until we get this utopia you have in mind?
There’s no “possibly” about it. Republicans will win some elections. Fascism now, or fascism later. I want someone in office who will mitigate the fascism that inevitably comes later, not enable it.
I mean look at the last couple of elections. Do you seriously think that, in hindsight, Biden winning 2020 was a good thing? 2021–2024 under Biden wasn’t as bad as it would have been under Trump, but it sure as shit wasn’t worth letting Trump win '24.
Ideally 2. That’s why I’m voting in primaries. But assuming Newsom (or some equivalent) makes it to the ballot, then ideally 6. If nobody votes for the blue fascist in '28, maybe we can get someone worth voting for in '32. If every democrat votes for Hitler (D), then we have a lot more years of fascism to look forward to in the future.
Yes, I do firmly believe Biden winning was preferable to a second Trump term. But it doesn’t matter because Trump didn’t win as a result of it Biden. Trump won because the DNC handpicked a candidate no none of us wanted in the face of vocal opposition.
You expect fascism to disappear in 2 years by letting the fascist win…so why didn’t that happen in 2019? How many more 2-years-of-fascism do we need? And what happens when fascism breaks the system so thoroughly, progressive candidates have even less of a chance of winning?
These anti-voting arguments never seem thought through. They only make sense in a fantasy world.
Well, no. Because Trump was elected. Twice. If people had “voted blue not matter who”, we would have had Clinton, a shitty Dem and not a progressive, but NOT. TRUMP. And again with Harris, who would have been much better than TRUMP.
The time to fight and the place to fight is NOT the general US election, but everywhere else - primaries, and beyond.
But when it comes to the general election, the choice is FASCISM or NOT FASCISM for now, sot he choice is clear.
I used to agree, but now I don’t. In the general election, the choice is between FASCISM NOW or FASCISM LATER. We’ve been signalling to the democratic party that fascism later is fine for years now, and we need to start signalling to them that it’s not.
Let’s say Harris wins 2024. What would she do to prevent the next republican from being just as bad as, if not worse than, current Trump? Voting blue no matter who means never getting a progressive candidate. Why on earth would the democrats run a progressive when they can run a conservative, knowing you’ll vote for anyone with a D next to their name?
Also… What primaries should we be fighting in when they don’t have one?
Voting blue in the general has absolutely zero to do with the nature of the candidate that got there.
How about all the other fucking ones where they do? That ONE FUCKING TIME they didn’t, and for arguably good reason, but who the fuck cares, let’s say they tried to fuck us over that ONE SINGLE FUCKING TIME and because of that “Nope, can’t vote blue ever again until there’s a progressive”
NEWS FUCKING FLASH: There will never be a progressive if Republicans run shit. Because we’re just about to lose our democracy.
The entire system needs to either be overthrown or taken over from bottom up. Neither of which has a fucking thing to do with voting in the general. I’m too fucking tired to come up with a good analogy at the moment, although I’m pretty sure you’ll reject all of this out of hand anyway, but even if “both sides” are causing harm, one side causes harm a HELL of a lot worse and faster than the other side.
I’ll take a fucking stab wound (not a slicing one, a puncture) over a gunshot wound or a grenade any fucking day, and I don’t think it’s THAT bad, although yeah, it’s not fucking great.
I’d eat moldy food before eating literal shit with arsenic.
And I’d do what I can to not get into that fight in the first place (knife or gun), or not eat that food in the first place. But if I find myself with those two fucking choices, yes, I’ll take the lesser harm every single fucking time.
Because while the fascists fucking play, in some states trans folks lost their IDs and I think they’re trying to make them register? I’ve had some personal issues recently so I’m a little behind on some of the news. While the fascists fucking play, we’re in war in Iran, invade Venezuela, attacks on various federal agencies that we DO like while getting other shitty agencies like ICE to kidnap, deport, and murder citizens.
So you support that shit, do you? Because if enough had voted for Harris, this shit would not be happening now.
The only way Democrats are worse is if people stop fighting for change if a Democrat is in charge and ignore the facists continuing to work.
Anyway, to make this not about you but to vent some steam before I go fucking sleep, FUCK this fucking nonsense that helps elect fascists. It’s yet another way the fascists are trying to win. They want us divided on every front, and by ALL fucking means abuse their control over the media to make Dems sound worse than they are and give Repubs all the fucking passes. The average asshat not paying attention thinks both sides are about the same, but if you look at what they actually do, they are NOT. Most Dem politicians are center or centre-right, and that is STILL better than right-wing nutjobs. But we need to get progressives to run for office. It can happen - AOC get elected. If we had a fucking Congress of people like her, that’d be a good fucking start. But the way we get more like her is NOT to vote for fucking TRUMP or to refrain from voting. It’s to get more progressives running for office. Discussing this shit online leads to protests, protests can lead to change if organized well. All of that is on the right path, even though online discussions and protests by themselves do little - and in the same way working toward getting progressives in control of the party would help solve things, but taking care of our oligarch problem is the real first fucking step.
But meanwhle. Voting in the fucking general for the fucking not-fascist option help keep things at bay better than putting more fascists in office.
Fuck this fucking timeline where we have to deal with this shit in the first place, but also have to fight to get people to understand WHY and HOW we have to fucking fight.
This was the most efficiently I have ever proven my point in my whole career of arguing with people on the internet.
It was not very long ago that I would have left comments exactly like this. I hope the disillusionment hits you soon. We can’t have a better future as long as we’re willing to put up with the present.