British police have launched a criminal investigation into a performance by rap-punk duo Bob Vylan at the Glastonbury Festival on Saturday, when the group led chants of “death to the IDF,” or Israel Defense Forces.
Look, I agree with their sentiment and want to commend them for using their platform for advocating an end to this genocide. The US should absolutely not be considering it in granting visas.
But, yeah, maybe don’t do a chant calling for death to another country’s military. Don’t make it so easy for them. Make them ban you for simply saying “free Palestine”. Don’t let them say it’s because you made threats of violence. Bring the majority with you, don’t push them away.
This kind of reasoning immediately makes me think of MLK’s famous quote:
the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action
In 1944 would it be controversial for someone to chant “Death, death to the SS!”? If people can’t see the genocide and see that military force against the genociding organization is necessary to stop it by now then they won’t be ‘brought to our side’ by using a kinder chant. It’s a type of civil disobedience, it brings more attention to the BBC and UK’s complicity in the genocide.
In 1944 would it be controversial for someone to chant “Death, death to the SS!”?
Um… Yeah. I’m thinking it would have gone down more or less the same as it is now. Loads of sane people agreeing with the sentiment, but the ones running the show wouldn’t and their bootlickers would follow suit.
What would it have accomplish? What does it accomplish?
It gets Lemmy known as a hotbed of terrorism. It may cause legal and/or political trouble for the admins of the site. And what does it do that other words don’t?
Look at all the discussion here and consider how it is or isn’t limited. What’s happening in Gaza is a genocide. The IDF is responsible for it. What do death chants contribute to that conversation?
controversies make people talk so they never forget what is happening in Gaza and who is responsible for . Denying the right to say death to a terrorist army committing a genocide is to deny Palestinians the right to self defense .
Look, I agree with their sentiment and want to commend them for using their platform for advocating an end to this genocide. The US should absolutely not be considering it in granting visas.
But, yeah, maybe don’t do a chant calling for death to another country’s military. Don’t make it so easy for them. Make them ban you for simply saying “free Palestine”. Don’t let them say it’s because you made threats of violence. Bring the majority with you, don’t push them away.
This kind of reasoning immediately makes me think of MLK’s famous quote:
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DEATH TO IDF
In 1944 would it be controversial for someone to chant “Death, death to the SS!”? If people can’t see the genocide and see that military force against the genociding organization is necessary to stop it by now then they won’t be ‘brought to our side’ by using a kinder chant. It’s a type of civil disobedience, it brings more attention to the BBC and UK’s complicity in the genocide.
Um… Yeah. I’m thinking it would have gone down more or less the same as it is now. Loads of sane people agreeing with the sentiment, but the ones running the show wouldn’t and their bootlickers would follow suit.
What would it have accomplish? What does it accomplish?
It gets Lemmy known as a hotbed of terrorism. It may cause legal and/or political trouble for the admins of the site. And what does it do that other words don’t?
Look at all the discussion here and consider how it is or isn’t limited. What’s happening in Gaza is a genocide. The IDF is responsible for it. What do death chants contribute to that conversation?
controversies make people talk so they never forget what is happening in Gaza and who is responsible for . Denying the right to say death to a terrorist army committing a genocide is to deny Palestinians the right to self defense .