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Death Death to the IDFThis was on the mind of Hamas fighters on October 7th. It actually resulted in lots of death to Palestinians.
Peace and coexistence brings life, future, and prosperity to Palestinians, not eternal war.
Israel has killed at least 100 people waiting for aid since dawn.
Okay, I’m gonna say something very controversial, and the mods might not like it, but hear me out:
Adolf Hitler deserved to die. If I had a gun and he was alive standing in front of me, I would have aimed the gun to his head, and repeatedly pull the trigger until I ran out of ammo, then reload, and keep shooting at him until I can confirm that he is indeed dead.
DEATH, DEATH TO ADOLF HITLER!
Tell me, is this “advocacy of violence”?
Nooo poor Hitler :(
I would say it is slightly. But only because of the part where you would keep shooting after reloading.
I am very interested in this pending response.
The inhuman madness of finding the problem regarding this situation to be protestors of Israel’s genocide, and not the genocide, is as absurd and abhorrent as it is overwhelming.
Let’s get outraged about and strive to cancel and imprison someone who used violent language at a force that is mass-murdering children. Just surreal. What leads someone to become this fucking detached from their humanity? It’s just incomprehensible.
America is not only the enabler of Israel, The American government is the one pulling the strings. America is as much a Nazi state as Israel, And when they are done with the Middle East they will find someone else to exterminate. We are all in danger.
Not only US, Germany, France, UK, Italy, and most likely Canada, and Australia. With a genocide you don’t get to stay silence, if you are not even condemning the genocide, that mean you are part of the bad guys.
“From the river to the sea, Inshallah one day Palestine will be free!” Yeah what a vicious chant.
C.E.A.R.T.A. and Death Death to the IDF!
Israel will be remembered in the History books the same way Germany circa 1930’s is today.
Not if the fascists keep winning.
Meanwhile, the nazi IDF can come and go and take a break from genocide in the US and the rest of the these European countries
I wonder what the term is for anti-palestinian? The equivalent to anti-Semite but for Muslims I guess? Just Islamophobia? That doesn’t have a good ring to it. We need a good term to use that Palestinians can play the racist card with for the next 100 years like Israel does.
Not sure, but on a side point I reject any “anti semitism” claim because:
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usually its just used to try to silence you
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they’re the ones anti semitic because Palestinians and arabs are semitic.
So maybe actually we should re-purpose antisemitism.
TIL. Thank you.
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Good question. It’s a venn diagram of Islamophobia, anti-Arab racism, and anti-Palestinian hate.
Whatever it is, the only way to win this battle is for people to start using that new word to call out people who are quite obviously hateful. With enough use of the word over the years, it will have the same shameful effect as what they have done with the word the other side uses
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Look, I agree with their sentiment and want to commend them for using their platform for advocating an end to this genocide. The US should absolutely not be considering it in granting visas.
But, yeah, maybe don’t do a chant calling for death to another country’s military. Don’t make it so easy for them. Make them ban you for simply saying “free Palestine”. Don’t let them say it’s because you made threats of violence. Bring the majority with you, don’t push them away.
This kind of reasoning immediately makes me think of MLK’s famous quote:
the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action
DEATH TO IDF
In 1944 would it be controversial for someone to chant “Death, death to the SS!”? If people can’t see the genocide and see that military force against the genociding organization is necessary to stop it by now then they won’t be ‘brought to our side’ by using a kinder chant. It’s a type of civil disobedience, it brings more attention to the BBC and UK’s complicity in the genocide.
In 1944 would it be controversial for someone to chant “Death, death to the SS!”?
Um… Yeah. I’m thinking it would have gone down more or less the same as it is now. Loads of sane people agreeing with the sentiment, but the ones running the show wouldn’t and their bootlickers would follow suit.
“Death, death to the SS!”?
What would it have accomplish? What does it accomplish?
It gets Lemmy known as a hotbed of terrorism. It may cause legal and/or political trouble for the admins of the site. And what does it do that other words don’t?
Look at all the discussion here and consider how it is or isn’t limited. What’s happening in Gaza is a genocide. The IDF is responsible for it. What do death chants contribute to that conversation?
controversies make people talk so they never forget what is happening in Gaza and who is responsible for . Denying the right to say death to a terrorist army committing a genocide is to deny Palestinians the right to self defense .
No I’m sure that’s an absolutely wonderful use of their time. Maybe they can post about this on Twitter rather than the 3g of weed that they seized.
I hope the entire world’s eyes are by this point open to the hypocrisy of the West. Kneecap and Bob Vylan being labeled outrageous or on trial for terrorism for… words, while weapons shipments continue to flow to the IDF, Netanyahu (with an arrest warrant for war crimes) flies through EU airspace unhindered, and the bombing of civilians in Gaza generates less news than a chant at a concert. Absolutely disgusting.
Disgust and rage doesn’t come close to expressing my emotions.
This is the capitalist hydra they created- money equals morality. How can we be evil if we’re making so much money selling weapons to a genocidal terrorist state? What was that, you don’t like it? Sssh, if you hurt our cash cow we will hurt YOU.
Worshipping the golden fucking calf.
Capitalism is a form of government where instead of citizens having one vote each, they have one vote per dollar they own. It’s a cult, and it’s a fucking cancer, and it will kill us all if we don’t stop it.
Oh, don’t discount the Racism.
People aren’t being investigated by police for criticizing Russia.
If it was only about money, they wouldn’t have reacted as they did to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine given all the money many were making from Russian fossil fuels and mineral wealth.
The big difference in the reaction to Russia’s Genocide in Ukraine and to Israel’s Genocide in Gaza (which is way worse both in numbers and in how many of the civilians being murdered are small children) is that in Ukraine the victims are Whites as are the aggressors whilst in Gaza the victims are (brown) Muslims whilst the aggressors are Whites.
At least amongst the power elites, especially in places like the US, UK and Germany, White Colonialism isn’t just this old 19th century practice we fortunatelly left behind, rather it’s a way of viewing the world which very much alive and widelly held.
Racism is an inherent component of capitalism, Especially it’s late stage of decline, fascism where those in power obfuscate their culpability by redirecting the ire of the masses towards scapegoated social classes
Everything that can be used to manipulate the masses is a tool of Capitalism.
Even anti-Discrimination movements are often made a tool of Capitalism (haven’t you noticed all sorts of exploitative large companies going “rainbow”?).
Here however, I don’t think the masses are siding with the Genociders. Granted a ton of effort has been put into trying to make the masses do so (more so in some countries than others), but the scale of the depravity of the Genociders is so extreme and undeniable that it isn’t working anymore, so it’s mainly the power elites who keep supporting Israel.
Mind you, Racism is definitely being leveraged (both Islamophobia and the positive prejudice towards Jewish People which is really just a cultivated variant of pro-White prejudice - “Israel has Western Values”) to try and manipulate the masses, but I don’t think the drive amongst those in power for pushing the masses that way is a Capitalist one as it’s not clear that all that much is gained monetarily from supporting these Genociders.
Racism is a tool to manipulate the masses, but the power elites themselves aren’t immune to it and hence are also driven by it at times, Capitalism or no Capitalism.
Can we rename the Streisand Effect to Vylan Effect now?
This song of theirs is fucking fantastic btw!
Holy shit, that’s good.
To be honest I had never heard of Bob Vylan before, so the people screaming they should be banned (so they dont become known?) reached the opposite effect, at least for me personally.
Found their music thanks to this and I love it.
Yep. Just picked up their albums on Bandcamp to support them. I grew up with Rage Against the Machine and my little mind was blown when Evil Empire came out - these guys remind me of them.
I’ve been upping the listenership for kneecap and Bob vylan for about a month now. Saving for hard copies to help support. This all reminds me of the satanic panic that was so common when I was a kid. Such fuckery to suppress an idea.
Yeah, discovered an interesting artist through this
Same never heard of them, but now streaming them to show support. They’re playing in my city on Saturday so might pop down.
fuckign catchy though
The chant has been living rent free in my mind for days now.
