i hate the dnc but my perspective is mostly dont vote for the fascist
That disqualifies democrats as well.
She tried to dance to the middle when Trump had a stranglehold on his cult of voters. Really stupid.
The middle? She was cavorting with Liz Cheney!
Voters don’t get to decide where the middle is.
I’m pretty tired of people nagging voters to follow the rules the framing they set forth. Trolley problem, “voters dont get to decide where the middle is”, etc.
We do have other options, but I don’t think they are realistic. Mass obstructive protests will probably push the DNC closer to the right (granted I could be wrong about this, but we are talking about a very out of touch and clueless institution of what amounts to be another ruling class) or violence which I do not think anyone in the country is truly ready for despite what everyone says.
Why should we be agonizing about what they will do instead of making them ask what we will do? We’ve turned the power dynamic around. What we need to band together and let them know that we wont vote for any of them if they continue with the sellout shenanigans on many fronts. No more deals. No more assumption that the dem brand means they are on our side.
And we cant just play chicken with them, we have to mean it. If they dont come to us and earn your vote, then dont settle for whatever 99% republican drivel they try to serve us. This isnt a negotiation with the rich, its us deciding if the dems will even exist anymore as a party.
No more “vote blue no matter who”. They just use that to ream us. That “D” needs to mean what we make it mean, not what they tell us they want it to mean. Thats exactly how we ended up supporting some theocracy’s dirty war crimes.
From now on I dont give the dems my vote by default. They earn it, and if I dont know their policies, I wont assume they are good.
She failed to differentiate herself from biden in many different ways. One of which was her stance on genocide. Less people generally came out and voted for her in part due to these factors
Lol Americans didn’t stay home for gaza, most Americans didn’t give a shit about that.
It was always about the cost of living. The average Democratic voter mindset is: “I voted Biden last time and nothing changed except food got more expensive, why bother voting”
There was a whole Muslims for Trump contingent in many swing states specifically because of the genocide.
I don’t get this one. They were both pro genocide, so how was Trump’s version any better?
Trump’s campaign was willing to blatantly lie and claim he would end the war on day 1. Some idiots took him at his word.
Of all the reasons to not vote for her. Gaza is the dumbest of them all.
Remember the cops beating the shit out of students across the country? If she pledged to end support for Israel, instead of being “the other genocide candidate”, Trump would have been the “resume genocide” candidate, and all those politically activated students would be getting their friends to vote. Between that and their response to 2020, they showed the next generation that the democrats are a dead end for enacting social change.
Trump IS the BURN ALL PALESTINIANS AND TURN GAZA INTO YHE VEGAS OF THE MIDDLE EAST candidate. And that was somehow better. But yeah you’re right. We should capitulate the entire country and everything else because of that right. Fuck it, if we can’t have perfection let’s just burn it all down.
Harris could have capitalized on no genocide. You cant run on "genocide, but at least we’ll pretend to oppose it:, thats not how humans work.
That’s exactly how the world works. Everyone trying to act like it’s not is simply ignoring reality.
From the POV of someone who just wants the Genocide to stop, “Burning all Palestinians and tuning Gaza into New Vegas” and “Burning all Palestinians and tuning Gaza into vacation homes for rich Israelis” is functionally equivalent.
That was by no means the only issue I based my vote on, but I also don’t think it’s unreasonable for someone to conclude that voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil
Well one of those evils is going to control you and everyone else one way or another so yes it is unreasonable to not vote for damage mitigation.
Hence why I said that wasn’t the only factor in determining my vote.
The question is though, where will it end? I’m 51 years old and ever since I have been able to vote the choices have been between a shit bag, and an even worse shit bag.
At some point we have to put pressure on the DNC to put up someone who is actually woth voting for, and if they know we will always vote for the lesser evil, what incentive do they have to change their strategy?
Harris was already a Republican in all but name and she only looked good compared to Hitler 2.0, if this trend continues the only “choice” will be between a far right fascist, and an extremely far right fascist.
It will never end. It has been this way since we walked rivers and fought with sticks and it’ll be this way until the last black holes evaporate. You’re 51 and still haven’t learned this. Are you even paying attention at this point.
Harris just disappeared, has zero interest in actually being a leader, has zero interest in spearheading a democratic movement, is doing jack shit to help make this transition easier through good will projects, she literally doing nothing, yet I’ve started getting please gib money texts with her name on them again… maybe if she hadn’t pulled a vanishing act we could at least talk but like, wtf is she even doing that she needs my money? I don’t even live in her state.
War criminals would be wise to disappear before the plebs rise up
the downvotes here is very interesting, its a larger than typical amt than i see normally.
i dont think this is coming from an anti revolutionary place, i think it might be because you ‘called’ democrats war crims, maybe its the “pleb” word that some are taking as anti worker…
idk maybe im just wrong and think lemmy is more revolutionary than it actually is.
lemmy.world hates when you call out their favorite war criminal.
Your downvotes indicate to me that there’s probably one user who doesn’t understand what Downvote buttons are for and has several sock puppet accounts
This getting downvoted is a fucking shame.
Telling too that the Democratic leadership said after the fact that one of the reasons they lost was that they relied too much on small donators instead of billionaire donators. Disgusting
Clearly the problem is they were too woke 😔
There is a shocking amount of sexism and racism in here for Lemmy supposedly being left leaning.
Literally contrary to evidence people just want to blame it on their own subconscious prejudice I guess cause if they are struggling with it everyone else must be, instead of just listening to the answers that are given.
So how did Hilary win the popular vote? How did Obama win the election? Not going to say there is not a sexism or racism issue in the US. But wrting it off like that is the sole problem is lazy and defeatist.
Wait what? I’m saying they got the votes cause people are generally not racist or sexist. Hillary got the votes cause people didn’t care about her gender but she didn’t win cause they managed to divide the electorate by her somewhat cavalier attitude towards widwestern states that she basically didn’t campaign in.
Im saying all the people saying Harris couldn’t win cause they are saying she had color or was a woman is the ones being both sexist or racist.
What are these, “answers given,” and who made you the arbiter of 2024 election analysis?
Women do not underperform in elections compared to men
Peoples insistence in blaming it is inherently sexist and my pointing that out does not make me an arbuter just willing to look at reality.
Ok, the way you framed your original comment was ambiguous and seemed to imply she lost because or her gender/race, and people on Lemmy were unwilling to admit that.
Darn. I meant to imply the literal opposite of it after seeing all the comments saying women can’t win. But second comment seems to have read it exactly that way as well so I definitely didn’t manage my sarcastic annoyance with those comments right.
On me.
If Bernie would’ve been warning about this in 2023, he would’ve been called red fash.
If Bernie was saying this at any point, people would have called him a Tankie.
I blame it on people too stupid to vote for someone other than Trump.
Couch sitters, too. If you’re so apathetic or ignorant you think not voting because you erroneously believed the BoTH sIDeS bullshit or voting Trump was better, that is the problem.
But then you must trace the root of why people are ignorant and apathetic to the right-wing propaganda machine both foreign and domestic.
Ah yes, choosing between genocide and someone who will commit genocide. Definitely the voters fault.
Politicians can’t be blamed when they fail their job of earning and swaying voters, its the voter’s fault for not being interested in a lack of meaningful change. That’s the Democrat way.
Ah yes, because in a binary choice outcome, you decide to take the greater poison not only in terms of genocide (which yes, a genocide can always get worse), but also worsening a genocide by Russia in Ukraine, women’s bodily autonomy, climate change, Healthcare, and LGBTQ+ rights.
That sure makes sense… I think they call that throwing the baby out with the bathwater?
Blue no matter who’s, too. People blindly supporting their party and trying to silence any criticism leading to a party that only gets worse each election, are the problem.
Despite people’s ignorance on the topic the Democrats are also apart of the global right wing propaganda machine mind you, they are also a capitalist party.
Honestly, is there any election you can think of where there was an alternative on the ballot who was better than the blue though? I genuinely can’t think of a time.
I was so excited after she picked Tim Walz. It was starting to look like the most progressive ticket in decades, she was ahead in the polls, and then she turned around and started campaigning with Republicans and CEOs. Total betrayal.
And yeah, she disappeared. I hear more from Biden and Obama than from her.
She made an imaginary rule in her head that she had to copy 100% of Biden’s polices no matter how unpopular.
The Democrats were offered a total reset from Biden’s unpopularity and instead decided to repeat it all. It was incredible how they threw away what should have been an easier victory.
She ran on Bidens policies because she is exactly like him. Middle of the road, pro establishment, corporate suck up, and always has been.
I think it was an agreement she was told she had to make in order for the nod.
that and her husband and idiotic brother-in-law campaign manager were ardent zionists first and foremost. She was never going to break from Biden on that.
I’m pretty far left of Harris ideologically and never really liked her or thought she was worthy of these powerful offices. I also never really expected that much from her. That being said, I was passionate about dropping Biden and supporting her campaign even at that late hour, given the immense implications of electing trump for a second term. I donated money, and rallied friends and family to get on board. Then she did that DNC speech and talked about the ‘strongest military’ yadda yadda yadda. All of that energy and enthusiasm instantly evaporated. Nothing she or her campaign did after that motivated any active support from me and I had to really fight off the urge to not vote for her. I’m entirely done with the Democratic Party as run by the current regime. Unless that party reforms, the US is absolute toast.
It is perfectly fine, in fact it would be incredibly refreshing & welcome, to admit…she was a shitty candidate. Fuck, she was so terribly bad. And Tim Walz was a bad pick, too.
Everything was fake. Every day it unraveled more. She was caught saying things like, “I am different than Biden, I am not Biden, do not let his presidency reflect on me.” What would you do differently? “Nothing, I wouldn’t change anything.” Okay…so…how are you different if everything Biden did was totally great & you wouldn’t do anything differently?? 🤡 Heavily paraphrased, of course, the convos were more detailed (which only made it worse).
It’s fine to say Kamala Harris was a cringe candidate. Completely unwanted, unelected, unqualified. Biden bowed out & the DNC shoved her in; there is no logical reason to continue to own her as your candidate & representative. You don’t bring dead babies to Passover. This is an opportunity to rebrand the Democrat Party, to refocus on issues that actually matter. That is to say…if anyone still gives a goddamn about the issues that actually matter.
I never felt Harris actually stood for anything. This is easily the first election where I felt all the decisions made by the DNC were hard wrong - and I already thought the DNC fucked everything up when the turned on Sanders - but this time they really chose every bad option they could. A senior citizen that was absolutely having problems (outside the debate performance) and choosing an inclusivity* candidate that really had a checkered past of making climbing the ladder a priority while having no real policy gains or stances. Even in the lead up to everything, the other candidates were all but brushed aside. No real debate over policy or where the country was going.
She said whatever middle of the road thing needed to be said to appeal to enough people while leveling mealy criticism at best for the real problems, from Israel’s shitty war to attacks worker’s right in the US. We went from a candidate that should have never run again to a candidate that hadn’t given anyone a reason to want her to run at all at the last minute. And that’s awful, especially to lose against trump.
- I hate to even say it, but the fact is that the DNC wanted to run a black female. They banked on the (I can’t think of the word/name for it - people who want to do things for a minority community, but do so cluelessly, remove agency of the group, disregard the actual needs and culture of the group. Usually modestly wealthy white people making “programs” for minority communities) people to vote for the feel-good of voting a minority person up while not actually thinking that people would have needs and policy concerns that would influence their vote, or their willingness to vote at all. The DNC already had “protect the rich white people” as a top priority. They didn’t think people were smart enough to sense that, and everyone really had a feeling that the Democrats didn’t care about them anymore.
Edit: found it. It’s “white saviorism” or “white savior complex.”
Yeah. I don’t know if there’s a term for it, but the Alt-Right Book describes it too: https://youtu.be/wCl33v5969M
That’s an interesting video, and I don’t think it defines exactly what I was trying to say, but it absolutely is tangential to it.
I want to say White Paternalism, where white people think they know what is best for minority groups, but that name often has an association with racism.
Edit: found it: “white saviorism”
Ah, saviorism. Yeah that’s definitely what you’re describing.
I guess what the video is describing is yeah tangential and/or like a superset. Groups high on the power structure use those who’re lower as proxies for their vying for power/resources/etc.
Yes, the video definitely suggests groups can be used as pawns and virtue signaling for those trying to “help” or use the appearance of it to further an agenda.
Yeah. The DNC either don’t realise, or refuse to realise, that electing Trump is not in approval of him, but expression of disapproval of the Democratic Party.
Damn right Bernie. Kamala and Pete Buttigieg need to GTFO.
I don’t dislike Kamala, and Trump is a sociopath. I realize Joe Biden probably had cancer before he dropped out and that’s why he dropped out. But I have to also say that voters probably didn’t like the bait and switch approach where they suddenly felt they had to support her simply because she appeared as the candidate in the last legs of the campaign. I think diversity and female leadership is important, but probably asking undecided voters to go for a POC woman when that’s not who they started out supporting probably didn’t help. Old white centrists don’t like that, and she didn’t have time to build a campaign and show her skills like Obama did. Probably a good chunk of people straddling the line vote wise didn’t love that. We had this happen in Canada recently with our new prime minister Carney, but he’s an older white centrist dude, and we were clearly ok to hold our noses and do it to keep out the conservatives, but I think if it was someone like Kamala they might not have won.
Biden didn’t drop out because of his cancer. He dropped out because that disastrous debate made it impossible for him to win. If he had really wanted to drop for his health, he would have done it at least the year before to give time for a primary.
