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We need to be thinking about how 77 million Americans voted for Trump and thought that was a good idea.
And we need to work out how to prevent it from happening again.
One thing is clear, billionaires and politicians are unwilling to relinquish power or wealth, even when their holdings are obscene or they are incapable of governing.
We will have to threaten either their lives or the structures on which their holdings depend, and can’t bluff. And they will likely choose death over surrender.
We won’t prevent it until people learn to start talking to each other with compassion instead of hostility. As it stands, both sides think the other side is completely insane, and to some extent violent, and that they should not be associated with unless you are harassing them.
We’ve already burned the whole bridge down, and now need to rebuild it somehow. If republicans and democrats were separated geographically they might just split the country in two, but as it stands nearly every state has a large population of both, so in my opinion the only way forward is reconciliation.
I’m ex republican. Higher education and having my life ripped apart by our state’s AG fixed me… barely. Compassion won’t fix these people. They fucking suck to their core and would rather die than change their opinions. I don’t have a good solution. Platforming the stupid in our country is a large part of the problem.
I guess you make a good point that dire situations often change minds. That might be the more likely thing to happen than people having conversations again, unfortunately.
We won’t prevent it until people learn to start talking to each other with compassion instead of hostility.
You can’t empathize with literal fascist… For two parties to reach common ground there has to be an assumption of both parties bargaining in good faith. If you continue to do that with fascist, people end up in camps.
As it stands, both sides think the other side is completely insane, and to some extent violent, and that they should not be associated with unless you are harassing them.
Well… In the last 30 years, how many mass casualties events have been perpetrated by liberal or leftist extremist? You can’t falsely conflate “both sides” when only one has a well recorded history of violence.
There is no common ground when the side you want people to compromise with wants to put me and my family in a prison camp.
We’ve already burned the whole bridge down, and now need to rebuild it somehow. If republicans and democrats were separated geographically they might just split the country in two, but as it stands nearly every state has a large population of both, so in my opinion the only way forward is reconciliation.
Conservatism isn’t an ethnicity… It’s a dangerous ideology that should have been stamped out during reconstruction after the last civil war. But people like you had the great idea of compromising reconstruction with reconciliation, so now we have to stomp it to death once again.
As it stands, both sides think the other side is completely insane, and to some extent violent
Um, is it at all relevant that one side literally is insane, or that one side commits 99% of the violence? Where is the Democrats alligator Alcatraz for Christians? Where are the Democratic brown-shirt vigilantes running around with masks kidnapping people?
I think Republicans are insane and violent because I see it with my own eyes. Are we supposed pretend their not? Screw that, I’d rather punch a Nazi.
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If all you’re doing is “voting”, then you have no right to a good night’s sleep at all.
If you’re still self-righteous about it like 9mos later, that’s even more gross.
Where is this dream candidate anyway? I haven’t seen them out there opposing genocide… Much like this gross meme…
*ignores a century of withering away of social safety nets and institutions at the hands of dems and Republicans, and primarily capitalists
*at the 11th hour and 59th minute of the devolution into fascism, nobly votes for handwringing and pragmatic genocidaire vs unabashed and bombastic genocidaire
*“I’m doing my part! Screw you, Tankies and Ruzzians for destroying America! Muslim and Arab americans in Dearborn who decided not to vote for a woman who promised to kill their bothers and sisters in Palestine and Lebanon with utmost lethality are redfash, and are the reason for the pickle we’re in now. Ignore the last 200 years of history that led us here.”
Yep, checks all the liberal boxes. History only starts where it is convenient.
So many fucking internet tough guys.
BUT WAIT, THERE IS MORE!
It occurred to me that everybody uses “Nazi” as a shorthand for psychopathic authoritarianism, but no living generation actually knows what it was like to live through that. This time we’ll actually see the “I didn’t vote for this” voices gradually disappear from the internet and at the end we’ll have a new name for this.
concentration camps and millions being stripped of health insurance and food assistance
So like Gaza?
Because I’m pretty sure this was the logic for people who refused to vote that this very community spent an entire year assuring me was a bunch of tankie bots from ml.
There were a million reasons that people didn’t show for Harris. Why do you scold only the people who were outspoken against genocide? Can you point to any evidence that this issue swung the election?
Biden put Harris in a terrible position by holding out as long as he did. Then Harris ran a horrendous campaign. That is why she lost.
People who care about Gaza are people who are politically engaged. That not who stayed home. Politically engaged people vote third party when they want to protest, and third party votes did not sway this election. Not even close.
People who stay home are normies who have given up. A lot of people need inspiration to show up, and centrist Democrats just aren’t inspiring.
I can only suppose that your fixation on the genocide issue is because you like the genocide and were pissed off that people objected to it. That’s the only reason to bring this trash up in every damn conversation about the Trump administration.
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The majority of people who didn’t vote for Harris don’t care about Gaza. They’re just larping on the internet.
She wasn’t a zionist and wanted to end the war. It was a clear cut decision, but it was a brown and black sacrifice people were willing to make for their moral purity.
So if you voted for Trump for his economic polices or yada yada you didn’t also vote for the camps? Harris was a continuation of Biden, lip serivice to peace and unprecidented support to the genocide. Any vote on the ballot was a vote for genocide, if you voted, you voted for it.
The people who fed these talking points to Americans were Russian bot farms. Harris is not a life long Zionist. Biden is.
Biden had single-handedly been undermining US foreign policy since he was vice president. He undercut the US position in a private call with Benjamin Netanyahu when the US was trying to leverage Israel into behaving. edit: typo
https://jewishcurrents.org/joe-bidens-alarming-record-on-israel
At this crucial juncture, Biden undercut Obama again. After Clinton’s ultimatum, the vice president—who was still traveling in the Middle East—contacted Netanyahu himself. In their book Our Separate Ways: The Struggle for the Future of the U.S.-Israel Alliance, Dana Allin and Steve Simon describe Biden’s discussion with the Israeli prime minister as “a conciliatory call” that had the effect of “undercutting Clinton and reinforcing Israel’s generally dismissive approach to the administration’s periodically tough messaging.” An administration official remembers being “astonished” upon seeing the transcript of the conversation: “Biden completely undercut the secretary of state and gave Bibi a strong indication that whatever was being planned in Washington was hotheadedness and he could defuse it when he got back.” When Clinton saw the transcript, the official recalls, she “realized she’d been thrown under the bus.”
The people who fed these talking points to Americans were Russian bot farms.
Russian Bot Farms like… The Times of Israel?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/harris-is-a-strong-ally-for-israel-and-american-jews/
A neoliberal Israeli online newspaper is of course going to spin the neoliberal Democrat in a positive light. So what?
It doesn’t change the fact that Kamala Harris was the right choice in 2024. Or that your argument is based on talking points from a Russian bot farm.
What’s passed? Is in the past. I voted for Kamala.
Going forward? We’re in the time to actually put pressure on the Democrats NOW for a platform worth voting for.
Now. Can we get some support for Zohran Mamdani, America’s Next Mayor, and harbinger of a New Democratic Party? Or are you too busy arguing with brick walls that they “shoulda, coulda, woulda” ?
I’m going to keep arguing against accelerationism.
This idea that we should only support democratic socialists like Mamdani and Bernie is ridiculous and is definitively accelerationist.
Accelerationist ideas need to be challenged and refuted wherever they show up.
I was ready to demand my Lefty comrades go vote for Kamala: after all, one Genocide is better than two genocides.
But then she came out “tough on the border” and took that from me. She promised to be every bit as hard as Trump.
https://theweek.com/politics/kamala-harris-immigration-policy-mexico-border
But she worked HARD to alienate the Left. She took every piece of rhetoric I had and shat on it.
So we have Kamala caving on Gaza with rhetoric (and walking it back)
But flatly refusing to do anything:
Just like the Liberal Party. Promise almost nothing, make a symbolic gesture, do actually nothing.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/harris-gaza
So when she gets no support, why are Clinton Neoliberal, Reaganomics-poisoned-but-polite Liberals surprised? This is the Country they designed, on purpose.
She wasn’t a zionist and wanted to end the war
Citation? Because any time I saw anything indicating that, she IMMEDIATELY walked it back. And I’ve cited (shitty) sources.
I dug through my comment history to find this. It has plenty of links.
I read it. Democrats will keep playing the left for fools and moving to the right, no matter what happens.
No Bernie’s campaign and Warren’s campaign drove Biden to the left on a whole host of issues, including labor unions.
There was no daylight between her and Biden on Netanyahu’s genocide.
Don’t lie.
This comment said it best and lists calls for a ceasefire from Harris.
https://lemmy.world/comment/13069715
She’s taken a stance, multiple times. The left doesn’t want to hear it.
March - https://www.npr.org/2024/03/04/1234822836/kamala-harris-benny-gantz-gaza-cease-fire-israel-hamas
July - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/25/harris-netanyahu-israel-cease-fire-00171315
Harris promised to do everything in her power to end the war in Gaza.
“This year has been difficult, given the scale of death and destruction in Gaza and given the civilian casualties and displacement in Lebanon, it is devastating. And as president, I will do everything in my power to end the war in Gaza, to bring home the hostages, end the suffering in Gaza, ensure Israel is secure, and ensure the Palestinian people can realise their right to dignity, freedom, security and self-determination,” Harris said to applause during a rally in East Lansing city of Michigan, home to 200,000 Arab Americans.
Unlike Biden, Harris was not a life long Zionist.
When Joe Biden met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his war cabinet during his visit to Israel, the U.S. president assured them: “I don’t believe you have to be a Jew to be a Zionist, and I am a Zionist.”
Harris wasn’t perfect. And that was simply not good enough for some people who didn’t want to risk their hands getting dirty. Even if it meant the Palestinians becoming the cost of doing business.
I voted for Harris and the election is over. That doesn’t mean I’m going to pretend that she wasn’t as committed to Netanyahu’s genocide as Biden was.
Good for you. I appreciate it. No need to spread propaganda though.
Thank you for the well reasoned response.
Here is my Issue:
When the Harris campaign did nothing to add teeth to the promise of a ceasefire (such as cutting off the weapons for the genocide would have done)? It comes off as just another empty gesture.
“Ben, stop the fighting! <reloads his guns> I mean it! <cocks a gun for him> we really need this to stop! <unloads missiles off a truck> I mean it!”
Only in the final final week before the election did I find any hope of cutting off weapons shipments. I had to dig, I had to scrounge, I had to be plugged in all day, every day, and trust political tabloids to maybe have it right this time, even as they referenced hints and leaked memos that the reader just had to trust existed.
Evidence was sparse, hard to find, and hard to trust.
Meanwhile, the sale of Palestinian Land https://wagingnonviolence.org/2025/01/activists-infiltrate-israeli-events-selling-palestinian-land-in-us/ Continues unabated. We see the incentive even beyond the “manifest destiny” style ideology, we see material gain for Israel to continue as long as ammo will last.
And rather than break from Joe, she wanted to be seen as AIPAC as honoring his commitments. She had a long history of supporting Israel. Publicly. Loudly. Even as that foreign-state’s lobby backed people far to her right in both parties. https://theintercept.com/2024/10/24/aipac-spending-congress-elections-israel/
This information was widely available. Easily accessible. Why would I trust someone who wants AIPAC campaign money to share my values when I don’t even see her articulating them in any meaningful way?
Harris’ refusal to break from Biden on the campaign trail and the DNC consultants sunk her campaign into the ground.
Harris would have plenty of room to break from Biden once he was out of the White House.
This is what I mean when I say Biden was a life long Zionist. He was actively sabotaging US foreign policy since he was VP.
https://jewishcurrents.org/joe-bidens-alarming-record-on-israel
At this crucial juncture, Biden undercut Obama again. After Clinton’s ultimatum, the vice president—who was still traveling in the Middle East—contacted Netanyahu himself. In their book Our Separate Ways: The Struggle for the Future of the U.S.-Israel Alliance, Dana Allin and Steve Simon describe Biden’s discussion with the Israeli prime minister as “a conciliatory call” that had the effect of “undercutting Clinton and reinforcing Israel’s generally dismissive approach to the administration’s periodically tough messaging.” An administration official remembers being “astonished” upon seeing the transcript of the conversation: “Biden completely undercut the secretary of state and gave Bibi a strong indication that whatever was being planned in Washington was hotheadedness and he could defuse it when he got back.” When Clinton saw the transcript, the official recalls, she “realized she’d been thrown under the bus.”
This is not the same as supporting a two-state solution.
Harris’ refusal to break from Biden on the campaign trail and the DNC consultants sunk her campaign into the ground.
Yep. I don’t understand this fetish for decorum. People are hurting, and all your entire party could do was consider the feelings of a dementia-riddled genocide supporter.
Quit running defense for a Party that was already staging Genocide before Joe was in charge:
They’re just more polite, so they let you go back to brunch while the Genocide continues within our own border.
Fuck you and everything you stand for, Diet-Fascist.
Yep. I don’t understand this fetish for decorum.
With Obama I posit he had to overcome racism and Bill Clinton cheating on Hillary Clinton.
Quit running defense for a Party that was already staging Genocide before Joe was in charge:
I’m arguing for the most useful strategy during elections. Which you did by voting for Harris. Other people on here are still arguing against this.
No one has to like the Democrats. They’re our most useful tool until some socialist or progressive co-opts the Democratic party. edit: typo
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There was no daylight between her and Biden on Netanyahu’s genocide.
Don’t lie.
You may have missed the “No daylight, kid.” thing it seems.
What does that have to with anything? Harris was never under any obligation to follow that instruction once she became president.
Which would mean accepting a lie, thereby completely undermining calls for context or saying statements are being misquoted.
They are being misquoted. That was a Biden quote used to say that Harris had the same position Biden. Which is a lie.
Harris had distinct positions on Israel. Biden telling her to have the same positions doesn’t mean she had the same positions.
Saying that Israel has a right to exist is Zionist.
The context matters. That doesn’t mean it has the right to exist as an apartheid state. She wants a two state solution. Which should be the goal.
No amount of misquoting is getting anyone out of the fact she was the correct choice in 2024.
Why should that be the goal? Why does stolen land get to remain stolen just because a couple of generations have passed?
Because a couple of generations have passed. It’s wrong to displace the Palestinians. It’s wrong to displace the Israelis. It’s wrong to displace people. There is no more correct place for people to be living then where they are right now.
Israel must return to the 1967 borders.
trump still worse.
It is possible for her to be a bad candidate who made consistently bad decisions, and for it still to be a bad choice for an individual to not vote for her.
source: *gestures in all directions *
100% I have voted in every primary until this one bc it was canceled. I still voted for her even though I hated it bc the reality is/was that, of the two choices, she was not the worst.
The time for moral grandstanding is always long past when it’s Election Day.
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The time for moral grandstanding is always long past when it’s Election Day.
Good line. And good reasoning before that!
I have voted third party in the distant past. It’s not some awful taboo to not play along with the two party system. And given my extended family, the further back I look in the past the more that right wing stuff just seemed normal, so I may not make the same choice now.
But the time to abstain or go third party is when the price of expressing my more ideal choice is worth not voting against the worse of the 2-party candidates.
I guess the logical exception to that is if you’re an accelerationist and you think we are SO far beyond being able to course correct that it is literally a more moral and humane outcome to turn the nu-neo-nazis loose on just about every vulnerable demographic that exists. Then you get to the rebuild phase faster and there’s less time for the government to kill & ruin people. But you never know if your plan is going to hit a little roadblock called nuclear armageddon.
Again, third party votes did not remotely sway the 2024 election. Blaming protest voters for your candidate’s anemic performance just reeks of entitlement.
100% real. I had the same reasoning. I’m just mad she didn’t let me bring more people with me.
Do you even hear yourself?
Absolutely. That’s the sound of me pointing out the practical reality that sometimes all the choices are bad and people make up their mind for dumb reasons regardless of what choice they make.
She promised to be every bit as hard as Trump.
Bullshit. Biden deported more than Trump. But it wasn’t news because he did it legally. Everyone got due process. There were no foreign prisons for the mass deportations. The problem with Trump isn’t the deportation but his illegal methods.
The problem with Trump isn’t the deportation but his illegal methods.
To a Liberal? Sure. One minute court hearings under Obama were technically “due process”. https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama
I care about my neighbors, not some piece of paper.
For a long time, Democrats have been polite Republicans, and I’m tired of pretending otherwise.
Its all just more authoritarian propaganda man. They’re either mentally deficient or brainwashed at this point.
Way to unpack your slurs, maaan.
Anarchist here to tell you Obama turned deportation hearings into drive-thru ceremonies instead of actual justice:
https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama
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And the worst part?
They probably sleep sounder than you.
I’m sure that’s of great comfort to the people in concentration camps. Legit so gross to acknowledge concentration camps currently existing and being run by your own government, and somehow still making it about you.
What can the average US citizen do about concentration camps that are outside the US but controlled by the US?
2A exists for a reason
I’m doubtful that an armed US populace will be effective against the militarized police forces and literal military being deployed against Citizens.
The second amendment was more realistic when society had roughly the same fire power as the military, but not so much any more.
They have predator drones, we have AR-15’s. These are not the same.
so why even try to resist right? Lets just say we are sad about it
Or be smart about it… op was just being honest and realistic… That’s how you need to be when you are at war.
I find this sentiment very funny, considering the United States terrible performance in asymmetrical warfare.
I don’t think we won a war against an insurgency on their own soil in…… ever?
And that’s with the benefits of untouchable supply lines, and war production, unparalleled intelligence apparatus, and the ability to print money.
Exactly. Proving you ultimately can’t control an armed populace who are willing to take up arms against you.
This all falls apart when most of the country is mass surveilled and production is automated. If only 10% of the workforce are required, it’s easier to control the 10% you need by killing the other 90%, ever shrinking the population of proles until only the < 1% remain.
That’s why fascism, billionaires, and all oligarchs must be eliminated before general AI and mass automation are realized, otherwise the 99% face genocide.
You nailed it, also why the next step for Silicon Valley is military robotics
Did they have predator drones in Afghanistan?
Start with small groups of ICE agents?
Weapons manufacturing facilities?
Infrastructure? Hacktivism?
Economic targets?
Rich mansions?Anything’s better than shoulder-shrugging after decades of molon labe.
The number of Americans who showed up to protest in the streets on No King’s Day was at least 1 million more than the sum total of US military and police members.
Never forget. /S
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Did you phrase it this way to avoid talking about the ones in the US?
At bare minimum they could not turn the existence of these camps into the opportunity to talk about how morally pure they are. Useless and obnoxious at best, callous and heartless at worst.
Forgot about the new ones popping up, so I will lump them in as well: what concrete actions can US citizens take in regards to the concentration camps being set up by their government? A government that has the largest amount of military spending on the planet, and has now started deploying that military against it’s own citizens.
Drones… Certain funds from the construction market… (Although, I don’t know if they stock other stores in your area.) , start hunting terrorists, Badaboom
Taking some of the millions and millions weapons in US…
But has to be done some time ago. Now ist over.
Why are you asking me what to do when my criticism of the sentiment in the OP is that it’s self centered and cruel?
If you need to be led around by the nose, probably literally anything else is going to be better than publicly jacking yourself off about how you didn’t want this to happen. I’m sure you can think of something other than self congratulatory meme posting.
I’m asking as you’re the one complaining. Don’t bring me a dead cat without bringing me a shovel.
The Electoral College System: ‘I don’t really care, do u?’
Fun fact: everyone who didn’t vote for Hitler made it through the war with a 100% clean conscience, and did not regret any other inactions. /s
Reminder that Hitler lost the election. The liberals endorsed a conservative candidate in the name of unity, who won, and proceeded to staff the government with Nazis and made Hitler chancellor, in the name of unity.
The left, cursed with Casandra Syndrome, campaigned on “A vote for Hindenburg is a vote for Hitler is a vote for war.”
In the end, many of them did end up supporting Hindenburg. But liberals will always see the left as a greater threat than fascists.
Fascinating that “I wish we had elected the Nazis sooner” is tankie orthodoxy.
Socialism is the only way to stop liberalism from proceeding to fascism. If the liberals had supported the socialists instead of demanding the socialists vote for them while they create the conditions for fascism to grow, and then hand power to the fascists, we could have strangled it in its crib.
It was as true in the 1920s and 30s as it is today. Hell we even saw the dems choose to fund ICE year after year, after they built the first set of cages, and right now, today, are choosing not to block its massive expansion.
And you have any faith at all that those same people have any interest in stopping fascism?
If the liberals had supported the socialists instead of demanding the socialists vote for them
Yes, if only the liberals, who make up a plurality of this country, had chosen to support the socialists, who make up single-digit percentages of this country, they would’ve won the election in a landslide and everything would be fine right now.
instead of demanding the socialists vote for them while they create the conditions for fascism to grow, and then hand power to the fascists, we could have strangled it in its crib.
As we all know, socialism has never allowed fascism to take root. So glad that problems have easy ideological solutions.
But of course, what am I saying? You’re a holodomor and Uyghur genocide denier. You love fascism, as long as it has the right color of paint.
Holodomer
You are literally doing nazi propaganda right now.
Uyghur genocide
lmao I am in China right now, I was in Urumqi earlier. There’s no travel restrictions, literally anyone can go there.
problems have easy ideological solutions
Correct, because ideology guides actions. Decisions informed by liberalism tend to heighten the contradictions of capitalism; the working class get weaker, the bourgeois get more powerful, and the petite bourgeoisie get one, then the other, making them easily controlled by anyone who offers them a scapegoat that doesn’t question the system that privileged them.
Yes, if only the liberals, who make up a plurality of this country
Not even close to correct. Who are the most popular politicians in this country? Every poll I’ve seen in the past 10 years has AOC and Bernie at the top, and the only politician who can even compete with their approval ratings is Mamdani.
Liberals make up a plurality of the news media and the wealthy Democratic donors. They aren’t plurality of the people. A recent poll has 62% of self identified Democrats saying they want new Democratic leadership, and only 24% saying they like the leadership they have. People are fed up, and they are not looking for more “centrist” Democrats.
Liberals make up a plurality of the news media and the wealthy Democratic donors. They aren’t plurality of the people. A recent poll has 62% of self identified Democrats saying they want new Democratic leadership, and only 24% saying they like the leadership they have. People are fed up, and they are not looking for more “centrist” Democrats.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/656636/democrats-favor-party-moderation-past.aspx
Polling using the word “liberal” is pretty pointless. Leftists and centrists have completely different opposing definitions of what it means, and most Americans don’t have a clue.
Polling on specific issues or particular politicians is the only way to get an accurate picture, and Americans, especially Democrats, are far more left than they self identity.
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Something something first they came for the something something
Vote for Republicans = You’re an evil Nazi
Vote for Democrats = You’re an evil liberal, an liberals are just veiled fascist
Vote for third party = You’re wasting your vote, you’re probably just a foreign asset
Vote for progressives = You support neoliberalism that masquerades as milquetoast socialism
Don’t vote at all = You’re a privileged asshole who caused all these issues by not voting
It literally doesn’t matter what you do or who you vote for, you simply can’t win with these people. There’s no appeasing them, they will forever complain about how you vote.
Ever since the 21st century, voting Democrat (voting against Republicans) has been compulsory to stop the degradation of our institutions to corruption and towards autocratic rule.
But a lot of people didn’t get the memo.
And to be fair a lot of Democrat candidates didn’t offer anything themselves, but to not be the destructive Republican guy.
The memo part has a lot to do with the massive far-right propaganda machine that is literally controlling minds (just not instantly or with a wavy beam)
The latter part has to do with the mass precarity that neoliberalism allows to persist. If you’re going to be in danger under King Log, why not vote for King Heron. And this is an issue across many nations with principle parties being neoliberal and far-right.
You forgot someone on your list. You. How would you describe yourself, I wonder? I know how I would.
Let me guess, am I nazi too?
No, you are a propagandist, trying to spread apathy amongst voters who could make a difference. You aren’t trying to get fewer people to vote for the Republican fascists, your goal is to spread apathy between the people who might vote against them.
I see my point is being proven already
It’s literally what you are doing, and the best you can counter with is with pre-school sandbox logic?
My point is very obvious and straightforward. You cannot appease everybody no matter what you do, and that includes voting, and therefore you should do what you believe is right regardless of what others think, whether that’s voting for something or not voting at all… but I suppose this is just a part of some grand propaganda conspiracy to help boost the Republican party by sowing discourse on Lemmy. Do you even hear yourself?
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Because the only imaginable positive outcome is appeasing everyone of course.
How about trying to minimize harm to as many people as possible?
Your point is amplifying troll messaging and rolling over to defeatism. It’s about as weak as discourse gets.
No, you’re just mad that I’m correct. You can’t appease people, and people will complain no matter what you do. Therefore, the obvious conclusion is that you shouldn’t vote to appease others, but you should vote in what you believe is right regardless of what others think.
Your “proof” is that there isn’t a position that will win approval with everyone?
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Who did you vote for then?
these manufacturing guilt posts would work if we were not seeing dnc sabotage mamadani to favour predatory stooges just like trump. the “blue no matter what” is only for trash candidates that superpacs want. everytime we get close to a leader that we want like bernie or aoc or mamdani, dnc shows they work for the trumps not against them.
i am not a violent person so pls suggest how we can help get aoc elected in 2029 without doing a luigi on likes of pelosi and schumer ?
…you think AOC is an outsider? Oh sweet, sweet summer child, bless your heart.
she might not be an outsider but she seems to have a spine, supports the progressive cause and candidates. she is the way “lesser evil” that we should be settling for. she is also liked and respected by a lot of fringe gop voters. so there’s a good chance that in time she also get fulls house and senate majority.
I dont hear much about what she’s done for her constituents outside of social media posts attacking people or performative political actions. I dont dislike AOC but it is accurate to say she hasnt done anything of substance yet.
I will say its clear who will be running for president though, her and newsom are both extremely obvious about it.
does anyone really thinks that these dnc elites actually care about anyone other than themselves and the megadonor billionaires:
By not voting you did vote.
First pass the post system and all of that.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
Thank you, now Rush is going to be stuck in my head.
(No seriously, thank you. Prior to this, my head was stuck with nursery rhymes.)
I read it as they voted blue.
Considering how many enlightened geniuses said that they just couldn’t vote for Harris over Gaza… I don’t actually think that’s a safe assumption.
You don’t have to be a genius to oppose genocide, just a decent person.
And did helping Trump win helped, right? He definitely put a stop to the Israeli aggression.
Not voting Harris was voting to strip trans rights, destroy jobs with tarrifs, entrench fascist federal judges for a generation, major intensification in climate change ,help the genocide in Ukraine, greatly help the genocide in Gaza.
I put the blame squarely on the non voter.
Edit: vote Harris in THEN protest for better changes.
Absolutely.
Unfortunately, as a result of Trump’s win, expressing that specific opinion can get you deported.
Enlightened Geniuses:
michiganers protest voted against her, i think thats the place that had the most effect on her votes, everywhere else is less affected by foreign policy issues.
michagan is important because it has large muslim population, but not all muslims like palestinians, its another history behind that too.
alot of conservatives do that, yes many dont vote at all because they cant be bothered, those are the low info voters.
Remember when Trump wiped women and people of color from DoD and other government documents in his DEI sweep? Fucking sucks man.
It’s not just Trump. It’s the state that he operates just like his predecessor and current collaborators in both “parties”.
It’s a big mistake to assume this is some kind of break rather than a smooth continuation.
Biden did not use deportation as a weapon against legal permanent residents, green card holders, infants, and political opponents.
I think you know what you’re doing. You’re all over this thread. I just realized that all of the bullshit here is you.
Technocrit is all over every political thread, doing his best to spread apathy with the progressive voters, helping to keep the fascists in power.
He’s been slinging this same tired BS since the election, back when the Russian ops trying to get Trump elected would give him upvotes and keep him out of the red.
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Are you incapable of grasping nuance, or do you just refuse?
