Joe, I get it, but the path forward was clear. Execute Trump, Roberts,Thomas, Barrett, and beer boi, and a handful of Senate and house GOP members for treason, as an executive act.
Someone would take it to the supreme Court, in the remaining liberal justices, since they have a respect for the law, would make the pretty obvious ruling that according to previous rulings what Joe Biden did wouldn’t have been illegal at the time. But that moving forward no US president is allowed to violate the law as part of their official duties, at least concerning US citizens.
Then Biden can appoint new judges to the supreme Court which will be approved by a now democratic majority house and Senate. That was the play. That was the only way he was going to save the f****** country and he didn’t have the balls to do it. So this is no country for old men.
He went on to add “but I am really happy with presinald Trump’s continued support for Israel’s genocide. I may not agree with him on everything, but at least he understand how important it is to slaughter Palestinians!”
Not hard enough.
“Being a good father,” Biden said.
Do good fathers exonerate their children for corruption?
I recognize that Hunter was a target of right-wing lawfare, but I maintain that a blanket parden of all ‘nonviolent crimes’ for over a decade is the wrong tool for the job.
It was to protect him from the crazy MAGA lunatics, if it wasn’t a blanket pardon the right would have manufactured something to get him with. There are plenty of things to criticise Biden for, but this is something I believe any parent would have done in that situation, and its completely fair and the right thing to do.
MAGA is not and will never play fair.
See, that’s the thing: I know it was against any arbitrary charges that were known to come, but as you say - MAGA won’t hold themselves to reason, so rational preemption won’t work. And the actual crimes Hunter was convicted of during that time were absolved. All after Biden Sr avowed he would not pardon him.
I don’t have children, so I cannot fault his devotion to his kid, but I still feel that justice was not (and maybe could never be) had, and that the position and responsibility of president and presidential pardon were severely cheapened as a result.
If it wasn’t trump coming in next I doubt he would have done it.
Didn’t uphold the 14th ammendment. That would have solved it all.
His presidency will be remembered not for what he did, which was mostly good, but for what he did not do. His legacy will be viewed similarly to Hoover’s. Both were principled men who, when faced with a serious problem, could not find it in themselves to deal with it.
Dear god, Hoover was a monster and a criminal. He is known in particular for how unprincipled he was. From casually violating human rights at a national scale to targeting civil rights leaders, to blackmail and terrorism, he established the playbook that modern totalitarians like Trump continue to abuse today.
Using Hoover and Biden in the same breath, let alone calling a monster like Hoover “principled” is beyond the pale.
I was so confused until I got to the edit.
It still kinda made sense if you knew about the Palmer raids and the first red scare, however, I doubt anybody has ever been taught about those things in the US lol
Not the FBI Hoover… President Hoover
Herbert Hoover sucked ass too, they weren’t called Hoovervilles because he did such an amazing job of stewardship and not being a racist.
What’s funny is how much accidental overlap there actually is between them. Principled my ass lmao.
Perhaps principled wasn’t the best term I could have used. It was meant in terms of their philosophy of the role of government. There’s no question that Herbert Hoover prioritized that over helping people.
That’s kind of the point of this thread I’m glad we’re having a consensus.
Oh, dear god. You’re right. Ha. That’s actually a very apt comparison.
I complain about J Edgar too much and forgot Herbert Hoover even existed, as I am sure history will forget about Biden.
I guess I should have been specific. J Edgar was certainly a monster, he ran the FBI like his own private army and multiple presidents just let him do it.
could not find it in themselves to deal with it
… without losing their principles. If Biden chose to keep his own principles, I accept that.
If we defeat evil but become evil doing so, we haven’t won.
He could have put in so many safeguards on his way out the door. Instead he chose to do nothing, except pardon his own family
Trump should have been in jail day one. They should have rounded up all the right wing terrorists and put them in gitmo they should have shut down Twitter, Facebook/meta, reddit and tiktok and tracked down and destroyed all the troll farms with drone strikes. They should have taken out putin. They should have done a million other things and they failed us.
oh my god please stop with this loser ass philosophy. you’re fighting nazis. there’s no place in a democracy for nazis. that should be your number one principle, and if it isn’t, fuck your dumbass principles that allow nazis to come to power and wreak havoc with no consequence.
This kind of rhetoric makes you just as bad as the Republicans
“Mostly good”
commits genocide
Yeah, not sure how you put those two together chief
hey those bombs that killed babies in hospitals had shareholders.
James Buchanan is the analogy I make, and we’re likely going to have a similar level of strife following his presidency and the country looking different after the resulting strife
principled men
Sadly one of Biden’s principles was blindly supporting Israel no matter what they do, even through an ongoing genocide.
…maybe more like Neville Chamberlain’s legacy.
Biden’s been out of office six months and still r2o can’t move on.
I wish he was still president or that the American people voted in Harris so that they and the world would be in a better place.
Pretty sure biden wants to keep getting hella cash making awful speaches to the worst of us all.
Never forget Biden was the reason we are in this mess. He should be shamed for the rest of his life and even after that.
The American voters are the problem for voting in Trump, not a man who tried to make a troubled country better over his lifetime.
Ah, yes, the guy who chose to ignore the multiple opportunities presented to him to literally render Trump’s return to power impossible, barring a violent uprising, yet who sat on his hands instead is the real victim here. Shame on anyone criticizing our poor new Neville Chamberlain for appeasing fascists while also refusing to even consider ceding power to anyone who would have been willing to seriously put the screws to Trump. Truly, one of the greatest victims of our times.
He didn’t do the one most important thing he needed to do: hold a felon fascist insurrectionist accountable for his actions.
That’s what his legacy will be.
America voted a felon in to lead the country.
Did we? Because the way I see it, a guy who cheated in the 2016 and 2020 presidential elections just happened to win again in 2024. Did he win because he had a popular mandate, or did he win because Elon Musk fucked with the voting machines?
We’ll never know, because Democrats are fucking stupid and are happy to let a known cheater and fraud to get away with it.
Do you have any proof for any of those elections?
The 2016 “Russiagate” scandal.
The 2020 “Perfect Phone Call” scandal.
The 2021 January 6th Insurrection.
There’s plenty of proof, you just need to open your eyes.
He should’ve been hanged in 2022. I wouldn’t blame voters for the governments failure to uphold its own laws
The democratic party is full of nothing but cowards and accomplices
The Republicans would have just got someone as shitty and smarter and ran them using the line that the democrats hang their opponents.
Maybe so, but Biden had two opportunities.
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Get rid of Merrick Garland.
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Use the SCOTUS’s ruling of presidential immunity against Trump and them.
He failed when it really mattered. Twice. No sympathy.
It’s like saying, we played a great game against the 49ers but 1 minute left in the 4th quarter, we chose to do a field goal to tie the score instead of going for a Hail Mary and the kick missed.
He also failed to step down when faced with compelling evidence that he would lose to Trump. If we had an honest primary, I don’t think we’d be in this mess. Instead, he held on to power up until the last minute and the Democratic constituency yet again got a candidate they didn’t want.
As much as you might not want to hear it in the end Biden did the right thing because the average American decided they didn’t care about that.
The 14 million being kicked off of Medicaid and the many being forcibly deported could give a flying fuck about the moral high ground.
This isn’t about moral high ground this is about the majority of Americans deciding this is what they want their country to look like or not caring enough to vote.
not caring enough to vote.
Due in no small part to the jackass you’re defending and people like him in the DNC showing that they weren’t actually interested in anything but their own power and money, even if it meant squandering the opportunity to prevent this very outcome. The same politicians who have proven these people right by putting up no real resistance as they rubber stamped Trump’s cabinet picks and policy decisions in Congress, only to wring their hands on TV about how dangerous it is and text me asking for another donation so they could sit on their hands some more.
Get serious.
If you’re going to speak in broad strokes about the majority, it’s important to get right that the majority of votes went against Trump. He only has the support of the largest single minority bloc of voters.
Thanks for agreeing that most of the country is trash.
Something something single issue Gaza voters claiming the moral high ground
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Voter shaming. Voter blaming. Not the party who didn’t even hold a primary after Biden dropped out far too late. Not the party who said “nothing will fundamentally change” and ran on “but Trump”
Yes I’m shaming the people who voted Trump in again knowing full well what he was doing and also the ones who helped convince people not to vote because of relentless anti-DNC propaganda.
So then it’ll happen again if you don’t hold the actual party whose job it was to EARN enough votes. Congrats.
Yep! You’ve gotta give people something to vote for, not just something to vote against.
Yes congratulations to all the people losing rights, healthcare, their lives and freedoms just so you can prove a point.
You should tell these people that they should deal with those things for decades to come because you prefer to have the moral high ground over winning over the voter base your party lost. I’m sure they would be happy to lick the Democrats boots along with you if you tell them that. Go on.
It’s a politicians job to earn votes. Kamala clearly failed at this. :-(
Mamdani showed us how you actually win. Sanders wasn’t a fluke, another progressive like him at the top of the ticket in 2024 would have won.
No trump et al and Trump voters are the reason we’re here, are you high?
Fuck off, Joe. Nobody wants to listen to you anymore. Thanks again for giving us Trump 2.0 you senile, vain, self-centered piece of shit.
Joe clung to impotent “power” long enough to give Harris just 107 days to overthrow the most famous person in the world Donald Trump. Did not go well.
The genocide that he worked hard to not only fund but to also shield from both domestic dissent and international intervention seems to still be going strong. So Biden’s work wasn’t all for naught.
You failed to do the one thing that mattered, Biden, which was replace Garland and make sure that someone actually put Trump’s ass behind bars. Instead you slow walked this shit and it’s literally entirely your own fucking fault that we’re in this mess. Especially your unwillingness to stick with your original promise of being a one-term President and allowing the Democrats to have an actual primary, instead once again snatching actual choice out of the hands of the people and anointing a new candidate instead. How many fucking times has that failed now, dipshit?
I got zero sympathy for this blithering bitching idiot. Go cry about your legacy more, chucklefuck. We’re facing out of control fascism because you were a pussy and didn’t want to “lOoK pOlItIcAl.”
how was the stuff in Project 2025 not enough to hit people with fucking conspiracy, racketeering and sedition charges
Genuine question— Conspiracy generally involves an agreement between two or more people to commit an unlawful act. The “unlawful act” being key, what unlawful act is there to charge someone with conspiracy regarding the policy changes in Project 2025?
On the other hand, once the SCOTUS basically made the President king so long as they did it in the interest of the country, Biden should have just put all of them in jail, but that’s beside the point.
Exactly, this.
But wait, there’s more…
Enabling a genocide- something all the candidates were going to do anyway- is deeply unpopular.
Supporting Israel at the expense of US citizens isn’t okay under any circumstances or leader. It is time to end this farce; the only folks who don’t listen are the ones being paid not to.
It was especially stupid because he was dealing with Netanyahu, who clearly was making decisions to make Biden look bad and enable Trump. As if Trump and Netanyahu aren’t exactly the fuck alike, both total criminals looking for power to avoid paying for their criminal activities.
So, on top of it being a fucking genocide, it was also crassly politically fucking stupid to try to be wheeling and dealing with a guy who once again clearly supported Trump and would fuck Biden over to get Trump a win. Biden is a fucking a buffoon.
And to all the Democratic voters who still support Israel, remember this: Netanyahu wanted Trump to win. He wanted this for us.
Holy fuck the ass cancer cannot take this guy from the earth quick enough.
Maybe you should have worked harder. idiot. Shit got busted overnight so that work was, as we in the biz say, a shit job. Never forget the Democrats witheld a primary because this corpse was their guy. Never forget when this corpse was lugged out of the race Kamala did diddly squat to distance herself from the corpse’s policies. Hell she even adopted some of her opponent’s policies (no tax on tips anyone?). Don’t ever forget how bernie and aoc lied as well telling us this corpse was cognizant to make a ceasfire, when no talks lf that were happening at all. What about the new reports of the biden administration down playing the east palestine ohio train chemical crash? That happened like soon after the rail strikes got crushed by none other than the corpse himself. Remember though he was the most pro union corpse the oval office has seen!
FORGET ABOUT EVERYTHING I SAID, REMEMBER THE CRUMBS HE GAVE YOU. THOSE TASTY, TASTY CRUMBS.
May he have a painful death.
Meanwhile Obama is windsurfing with billionaires with a big shit eating grin.
People literally voted for this, its amazing.
He worked really hard to thread the needle between capitol and some actually progressive policies
Which, in the effort to avoid making enemies, just basically pissed off everyone, because it took a nibble of the profits for the tiniest wins possible
But I’m sure it was a lot of work
You sure did Biden… 50 years ago. Should’ve never run for reelection
Democrats should have never pulled Biden out of retirement.
The problem, the core problem, was never Biden.
Democrat Party leadership said yes to Biden. That was the problem. That is still the problem. The problem did not go away.
All the not-Republicans need to pick a leader now. Before one is chosen for you. Again. Clock’s ticking.
Democrat Party leadership
Not sure what the “Democrat Party” is other than a thing the qons use to annoy the left.
All the not-Republicans need to pick a leader now. Before one is chosen for you. Again. Clock’s ticking.
How I wish that would be a thing, but have you seen the kinds of issues that absolutely consume some on the left? I swear more would rather take a dump on what they call “shitlibs” and constantly police things like “microaggressions” and tell everyone that doesn’t check off enough Oppression Olympics boxes to “check their privilege” and lecture everyone about Gaza and “genocide” (how to tell everyone you just learned about Israel and Palestinians c. October 2023 without saying it) instead of band together to fight fascism. The narcissism of small differences is a plague among so many of the most vocal left.
No one needs to wish. It needs to happen. Clocks ticking.
Why all the hate for Biden? It’s trump and the republicans that have created this situation, isn’t it?
Biden had so many chances to change the path we are on today. And he squandered every single one of them.
This. At the very least, he could have expanded the SC to 13 and named a bunch of new judges. But nah.
He’s an old fart that does things by the book and does them well with mostly good intentions from an outside perspective. He worked within those confines and got shit done in an adversarial environment. He didn’t anticipate the fuck-the-book approach that is now allowing trump to flagrantly ignore the constitution.
Had he known he may have reoriented his strategies. But that’s hindsight right? Also fuck him for preventing an actual primary and forcing Kamala on the ticket - that was a known bad approach even without hindsight.
Trump did it the first time. Why would any person with common sense not believe he would do that again?
He ignored plenty of “by the book” ways to avoid our current situation. And he didn’t anticipate the approach that Trump had used for the 4 years prior to his presidency? That just proves he’s a terrible president.
He didn’t anticipate the fuck-the-book approach that is now allowing trump to flagrantly ignore the constitution
Trump was perfectly transparent about his intentions. If Biden didn’t anticipate this he’s incompetent and deserves every ounce of hate coming his way.
Retards gonna retard
Honestly, because we had clear expectations for Biden when he was elected.
Close the inhumane border camps.
Deal with Covid.
Prosecute trump and his collaborators litany of crimes.
In the end, he went 0/3 on those. His legacy is one of shirked responsibility.
Isn’t “nothing will fundamentally change” what he said to the donors at a private event? Mission accomplished I guess…
No idea, I don’t really give a fuck about a small quote without context said behind closed doors. I care about what issues were facing the nation, and what was done to solve them.
Reminds me of an adage:
It takes two to lie: one to lie, and one to listen
That’s a bad adage; I wouldn’t claim that as a true thing most people believe.
The American people want a failed reality host who puts on a Plain Folks act while despising the people who worship him. They want an end to education, Social Security, Medicare, and our national public spaces. They want women, LGBTQ, and nonwhites to be second-class citizens. They want violence and torture, because it’s Strong.
This is the new America. You’re not part of it, Joe.
The thing is that they don’t want an end to those services in reality.
They want an end to the imaginary concept of those services as sold to them by the GOP and corporate media.
And because the voters refuse to see anything other than that fictional version, functionally it’s the truth.
There was nothing he could have done. It’s a mistake thinking the US changed so dramatically almost overnight in the past few months. In reality, the cracks in the dam have been growing slowly over the decades. There just comes a point where you can’t paper them over anymore.
All the suggestions here about moves Biden could have made to the Supreme Court or with other laws are forgetting about January 6th. There’s a huge number of people who voted for and actually want what is happening right now. Blocking them or delaying them is only delaying the inevitable. Politics is war by other means.
