When I tried it in the past, I kinda didn’t take it seriously because everything was confined to its instance, but now, there’s full-featured global search and proper federation everywhere? Wow, I thought I heard there were some technical obstacles making it very unlikely, but now it’s just there and works great! I asked ChatGPT and it says this feature was added 5 years ago! Really? I’m not sure how I didn’t notice this sooner. Was it really there for so long? With flairs showing original instance where video comes from and everything?
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Just wondering how can you earn money on peertube? There seems to be one channel dominating the site Transport Evolved.
Not everything has to be about earning money.
Early youtube was beautiful precisely because it was normal people making videos as a hobby, not trying to earn money.
True, but in order to make it a healthy viable alternative to centralised platforms then there needs to be a financial incentive for creators to use peertube. I guess any creators who give a shit about this kind of thing could upload their content to both platforms, but doing so could have an impact on their YouTube earnings.
Early youtube was beautiful precisely because it was normal people making videos as a hobby, not trying to earn money.
It was also a novelty as it as very new, but the quality of content being put out now is significantly higher than it was in 2005.
Youtube doesn’t pay shit except if you’re uber consensual anyway. Most youtuber I follow earn their money with sponsorship.
you can’t really… being federated and no ads kinda ruins that idea as it is hated by many
Most people have Patreon or Kofi or any other external donations system
With sponsorships, like on YouTube?
but after youtube has taken it’s cut and share of the creators there isn’t much left. This is the chicken and egg situation
YouTube doesn’t/can’t take a cut from sponsorships. which is the point they were making. That’s where the money actually gets made. That or Patreon / streams.
I don’t even remember a time when PeerTube wasn’t federated. For as long as I’ve been using it, that’s been kind of the point.
If ChatGPT said it was added five years ago, that means it was added anywhere between 13.8 billions years ago and never.
That made me exhale. But using the age of the universe as lower bound is already giving chatgpt too much credit
Take a look sometime at the top videos of !peertube@lemmy.world or https://piefed.social/f/fediversevideos to see some great videos! Creators all over the fediverse.
One of my favorite videos on fedi: https://videos.elenarossini.com/videos/watch/2909e4a0-6424-4a74-a936-d15812268a3c
I myself host a peertube instance and its pretty easy to use.
You asked ChatGPT and thought it gave you a correct answer…? 🤣
For real though, Peertube is awesome now. Live streaming works a treat, so many plugins and add ons that make it great. Not to mention it now has its own app which is great.
It did give the right answer…
It did not, it was added 4 months ago, not 5 years ago:
Add SepiaSearch URL as default search index.
In May 2020, Framasoft published a roadmap of the software for the later half of the year and created a fundraising campaign requiring €60,000 for aiding the development.[18] Five months later (in October 2020), PeerTube announced that they reached their fundraising goal of €60,000 after a €10,000 donation from Debian.[19][20] Throughout the later half of 2020, PeerTube has added features such as global search, improved playlists, and more moderation tools
End 2020, the meta-search engine Sepia Search was launched by Framasoft, allowing a global search on all PeerTube instances at once. As of 2021, Sepia Search covered close to 800 individual instances
Sepia search is a cross-instance search engine, but it was never integrated into the actual Peertube UI until recently. Which made is extremely inconvenient. Pretty sure that is what OP was talking about.
If OP asked when global search was implemented the answer is 5 years ago. If they asked when SepiaSearch became the default index then sure, ChatGPT was wrong, but I’d bet they asked the first question
If they asked when SepiaSearch became the default URL then sure
No one said anything about the default URL. It’s the default search engine, as opposed to only searching locally.
I’d bet they asked the first question
now, there’s full-featured global search and proper federation everywhere?
Agree to disagree, I suppose.
How are PeerTube instances funded? I’d imagine that the cost of running an instance is significantly higher than a Lemmy instance.
Depends on the instance and activity levels. I run a very small one on my own, and it costs ~$10 each month for server rental and b2 storage.
If I was running it on a broader scale, it would start to add up, but I mostly wanted to help with federation and reliability, and that’s fairly inexpensive.
Depends entirely on the instance. Mine runs on the same server with a bunch of other stuff so virtually nothing.
Itd be nice if there was a way for ppl to rent their own channels off an instance rather than a whole instance, since that instance gets expensive hosting it by yourself, built in way like a 1$ a month a channel could cover hosting costs maybe
Chatgpt is wrong BTW. But yeah its been there for a long time.
https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/releases/tag/v2.3.0
ChatGPT is correct? The irony of people confidently asserting that ChatGPT is wrong, while being wrong, seems to be lost on the crowd here. Kinda makes you understand why ChatGPT is often so confident even when wrong.
Chatgpt is wrong BTW
LOL at this point I just assume that anytime someone cites it. It’s infuriating that people seem to think it knows dick about shit. Just mass disinformation, I guess.
Why the fuck do people ask ChatGPT for shit like this? ChatGPT doesn’t know facts. It’s a magic 8-ball with more words.
Asking chatgpt can be super useful to get info. I just don’t understand why people don’t try to verify what it says before just re-posting like fact.
The only thing it’s useful at is shit that isn’t necessary.
We had a P&Z member at the city I work at get butthurt because we corrected him at a meeting, so the city manager asked me to write an apology letter to him.
That was the one time I loved ChatGPT. It was bullshit that didn’t need to happen that I didn’t care about and achieved nothing, so I let the fucking bot write it.
Why bother even using CGPT when you have to go elsewhere to verify everything it says anyway?
It depends on the type of facts, but sometimes it’s much easier to verify an answer than to get the answer in the first place. For example sometimes the LLM willmention a keyword that you didn’t know or didn’t remember and that makes googling much easier.
For basic fact checking like this, it’s basically useless. You’d have to go look it up to verify anyway, so it’s just an extra step. There’s use cases for it, but this isn’t it
Explain AI in 10 words or less:
There’s use cases for it, but this isn’t it
If you are just going to verify the info, why not just find out yourself and save yourself some time?
Sometimes it’s nice to know where you even start, then verify from there.
It depends on what info you’re trying to find.
I was recently trying to figure out the name of a particular uncommon type of pipe fitting. I could describe what it looked like, but had no idea what it was called. I described it to chatgpt, which gave me a name, which I could then search for with a normal search engine to confirm that the name was correct. Sure enough, search results took me to plumbing supply companies selling it, with pictures that matched what I described.
But, asking it when a particular feature got added to a piece of software? There’s no additional information one would get from the answer to help them confirm that the answer is correct.
You should use something like perplexity instead that actually provides links to where it found the information. It will still make shit up but at least it’s easier to tell when it is.
and save yourself some time
and save us all some carbon dioxide and water
I must be doing something wrong or using a shit instance cause I can’t find one at all but everytime I go to peertube (and I"m not searching just locally) I see like 3 videos get posted a day, most of which are videos about Lies of P or car videos. LIke there’s no content.
so…what am I doing wrong?
PeerTube is essentially a whitelist. If the instance admin has not enabled automated federation, you probably won’t find much. That’s why I recommend using a third party interface like GrayJay or Pipeline. Although unfortunately neither one supports signing in at this time, so you can’t interact.
Either poorly-federated instance, or you look in the wrong place? Here’s a good one: https://peertube.wtf/videos/browse?live=false
thank you! yeah I was using peertube.tv and thinking “this can’t be it” other than that I tried Dalek Zone and got frustrated with finding anything on that. This is much better thanks.
GrayJay also supports adding PeerTube instances:
https://pluginhost.grayjay.app/peertube?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpeertube.futo.org
I tried it about a year ago and instantly dismissed it, not one video that I found slightly interesting.
Even after reading this Im not going to try it again because it was just that bad.
Wanted to say: No, according to Wikipedia global search launched in 2020.
But that actually was 5 years ago, damn.
Getting older… There’s a creaking in my bones… 2020 was 5 years ago…
When I hit the mid-40s, I realized I was running into at least five things a day that turned me into the “man ages 50 years in five seconds” meme from the end of Saving Private Ryan.
Don’t listen to them 2020 was like last year. Also the 90s was ten years ago don’t let anyone tell you different.
I never experienced the 90s…
You’re only 10 years old?!
I see the delusion takes precedence. I respect it.
My kid turns 17 next year. I can still feel him as a baby snuggling and sleeping on my chest, he was so tiny.
Nothing drives home the march of time like seeing that.
Wow! I can’t even imagine that… It sounds a little depressing, but also really awesome and a true privilege to witness someone grow up.
2018 is 7 years ago is fact that haunts me everytime I come across any “7 years ago” YouTube video
My experience hasn’t been as smooth. The global search seems dependent on instances, some are better than others. And playback across instances is hit or miss.
With that said, usage entirely local to the instance is flawless and speedy, which is nice.
I have to say I think Peertube itself is good, but the content still isn’t there yet. Of course we all know that’s because there isn’t cash to be made on Peertube
Counter point: I dont want to watch content that has a monetary incentive behind it.
Same, and it’s weird to me that so many people now believe that they deserve to be paid for participating in their hobbies.
Why exactly do you think people create content for you to consume in the first place?
Sharing knowledge. Lots of people are not primarily motivated by greed.
Should teachers stop making money too?
Of course not but some may do free workshops just because they feel it may help their community.
I don’t work for free either but if my neighbor needs a new alternator or cabinet door fixed I will help/ show them how to fix it.
Most creators just ask voluntary donations for very few exclusive or temporary exclusivity
Makes sense
That’s great to aspire for but there’s still an almost total lack of content in many genres I enjoy on YouTube. I don’t even think PeerTube has progressed as far as the Lemmy community in terms of content availability. Admittedly this is probably because text and image content is much easier to create, but as a user I don’t find much reason to spend time there yet.
So if you don’t want a monetized model, there is still a need to have another solution to the lack of content, and I haven’t seen one yet.
What kinda stuff do you like on youtube?
https://lemmy.wtf/post/15810205
(thanks again to @meldrik@lemmy.wtf for maintaining this awesome list)
Not the person you’re asking, but I mostly watch craft stuff, particularly 1:12 scale dollhouse miniatures and sewing. The most recent video I could find that was even remotely relevant is several months old and about a different kind of miniature.
Best you can do is ask some of these content creators to also post their videos to PeerTube.
PeerTube has built-in syncing of YouTube channels, so it’s fairly easy once it’s set up.
of course… but plenty are. When you see kids at school saying they want to be content creators as a job you know it is only going to get worse. I never said it was right or wrong but it is exactly what it is for a large percentage of people. Also can’t get past the fact that like googling something, watching a video on youtube is literally in peoples vocabulary
I don’t want to watch the people who aspire to do it as a job. They saw some influences online who are profit driven and think they can get similarly rich. Many see it as an easy job (it’s not).
I want to watch people motivated by their thirst for creativity and sharing knowledge, and if money comes their way they will see it as secondary. I would prefer them to do something else as a job.
What content have you produced for free? Do you consider yourself greedy when you cash your work paychecks?
I know first hand that making content is a lot of work
I’ve made and shared plenty of 3d models for the 3D printing community. People can certainly make it a job, and that’s perfectly reasonable. But, I will never be interested in a community of for-profit model makers. If their goal is to make money off me, it’s not a community, I’m just a customer. The point of the community is to learn and share information, to help people and be helped in return. If that time is ‘work’ for you, don’t do it. Or make content and sell it on YouTube, do what you want, I’m just not interested in it.
Humans love sharing new things with each other, its part of our social structure and how we ensure our own survival. Its as natural as hunger or thirst.
Plenty of people uploaded stuff to youtube for years before it started giving them any money
Some instances have different ways of making money. TILVids for example shares money from donations with the creators. Theres also support buttons that help creators out. As well as ads on some instances as themes. Most are just nonprofits trying to do good in the world.
Its not as popular for the same reason your on fediverse, the interface allows anyone without ads to see your videos. The insentive does not always need to be $$, it most cases, its community building.
Got me thinking about how YouTubers get money. According to a quick web search, YT pays $0.01 to $0.03 per view. So if you release 10 videos a month, you made $0.10 per viewer. But Patreon memberships are typically around $5.00 a month, equivalent to $0.50 per view in the same scenario. Of course Patreon will take a cut, but it is still a lot more money.
So, if a lot of your viewers think your channel is good enough to donate to, ad money basically becomes an afterthought. In this case, the only advantage of YT over PT is discovery, i.e. the number of viewers likely to find your videos in the first place (but there’s also more competition on YT, so…)
So, if a lot of your viewers think your channel is good enough to donate to, ad money basically becomes an afterthought.
I don’t think this is realistic, most people will not open their wallets, especially since they can’t just go around paying a monthly subscription to everyone they watch. Even if their Patreon earnings were higher, I doubt their YouTube earnings would be insignificant.
Dead Meat starts at $1 per month not $5, they have 23,300 paid members. But their YouTube looks like it gets millions of views per month (you don’t only get views on new videos like you suggested, but old videos can get lots of views too as you build up a back catalog). And this is a channel that I found by doing a Google search for most successful YouTube Patreons.
Wow their YouTube has 2.97 billion views
Creators upload videos twice, once for patrons who watch them ad-free and once for people who don’t want to pay. That way, people who don’t have money to spend on YouTube can still enjoy their videos and they get a little kickback. Youtubers don’t need Peertube to release videos ad-free, so it doesn’t really change much if Patreon is more than enough.
Furthermore, the inherent privacy issues with peer to peer video consumption (I can easily track what videos you’ve been watching by simply connecting to the swarm) and the huge hosting costs a moderate sized Youtuber would inflict make the premise rather silly.
I think Peertube is great for small channels and maybe for corporate videos within an intranet, but Peertube can’t afford a moderately popular Youtuber.
Some good points I hadn’t considered!
Yeah I finally made an account and there is more than enough here to satisfy my mealtime watching needs. Still not a lot of content when compared to the mainstream platforms, but that reminds me of all the fediverse offerings a few years ago.
I feel like it’s only a matter of time before there’s enough on peertubes to keep me off the mainstreams almost entirely.
Any interesting video recommendations?
I think some urbanism/public transit-related channels are in the PeerTube, like RMTransit for example.
