Stephen King is absolutely the next person I think is going to have some heinous shit come out about him, like happened with Gaiman. Too many years writing in a cocaine haze, on record defenses of Woody Allen marrying the step daughter he raised, the whole thing with the ending of IT.
Not commenting on the Epstein List, tbh it’s political football and I don’t know if we’ll ever have anything confirmed until well after anyone who could be impacted by it is gone. King’s just one of those people who if you look close enough there’s reasons to be suspicious, but who is such an industry giant that I think no one wants to say anything.
Of all the things to publicly tell on yourself with. Damn man.
Nobody is going to release a real list because it will exclusively hurt the rich and powerful.
Trump Part 1 didn’t, Biden didn’t, Trump won’t do it now.
There definitely is a list. Probably not a spreadsheet or a black book, but you have to make schedules and appointments work. Double booking diddlers is bad business. There are records.
What has been established by the media is that there is a list (whether true or not) and being on that list is damning. Unfortunately we’re at a point where if a list is released, anyone with a brain would have to doubt it as being nothing more than a political tool, and anyone without a brain will immediately try to crucify anyone on it.
All the back and forth and hemming and hawing buys time to figure out who to put on the list. Get all the Democrat names you like, but finding enough Republicans to put on the list, but not anyone who’ll rat (preferably dead) is the tricky part. Gotta make it halfway believable.
It’s sad that instead of bringing the worst people in our society to justice, this will either be swept under the rug or set fire to the Reichstag.
It’s definitely real, even if it is just the list of 150 Epstein associates that were unsealed years ago. If there was anything more, it ceased to exist during the first Trump administration.
We believe the rumored client list is real now? Case documents for Giuffre v. Dershowitz have already been unsealed & released. I thought everyone was calling claims of secret, unreleased documents a right-wing conspiracy theory a few months ago. It’s really hard to follow what we’re supposed to think here. What’s going on?
There probably isn’t a full-on list that just lays out who was all involved, line-by-line; but to believe that there is no information and no names to be revealed is to believe that Epstein was arrested and Ghislaine Maxwell is in prison for the crime of trafficking no one, to no one, to engage in no acts.
I mean, there is almost certainly no “The List”, “2003-02-23: Donald John Trump, 3 pedophilia, paid by bank transfer”.
There are terabytes of call logs, text messages, videos, photos, location logs, witness testimonies, whatever samples, and fuck knows what else.The list probably looks like a grocery list or a visitors sign in list. Don’t over estimate rich people.
Bro was realistic.
Do you keep a client list of your parties? Do you keep a diary of your illegal activities? Would you allow someone else to have that?!
And even if such a thing would exist, is there any reason to keep such a list after the party? After the planning? After the rich and famous left? No man, the only thing that remains are photos, memories and crazy stories.
Sure, there are people who went there. Sure, there was crazy, scary stuff going on at those parties.
Which is exactly the reason why such a list doesn’t exist.
It was another maga bullshit conspiracy story which backfired spectaculary.
Except when you run a blackmail operation of course you will compile all the information of all the people, so you can blackmail them with it.
If it was only about abusing children, Epstein could have done that with relatively little attention. Instead he made sure to have as many people involved as possible.
There is credible reasons to believe that Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell have been instructed by Mossad, as they have extensive ties to Mossad and Israel, in particular through the father of Ghislaine Maxwell, Robert, who Epstein apparently helped stow away stolen money. Also Robert “fell of his Yacht” when it became known that he was a Mossad asset.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Alleged_connections_to_intelligence_agencies
Epstein was rumored to be associated with Intelligence agencies.[292] The U.S. journalists Dylan Howard, Melissa Cronin and James Robertson linked Epstein to the Israeli Mossad in their book Epstein: Dead Men Tell No Tales. They relied for the most part on the former Israeli intelligence officer Ari Ben-Menashe.[293] According to him, Epstein’s activities as a spy served to gather compromising material on powerful people in order to blackmail them.[294] There is also a possible connection to the Mossad via Ghislaine Maxwell, whose father Robert Maxwell is said to have had contacts with the Mossad.[295] Epstein’s victim Virginia Giuffre also alleged Epstein to be an intelligence asset, linking on Twitter to a Reddit page, that alleged Epstein was a spy, running a blackmail operation.[296]
As U.S. Attorney in Florida, the later U.S. Secretary of Labor Alexander Acosta reached a settlement with Epstein’s lawyers (including Alan M. Dershowitz) in 2008, which allowed him to receive a very light prison sentence. Acosta later reportedly stated that he was told that Epstein “belonged to intelligence” and that the issue was above his “pay grade.” According to Acosta, he was pushed to give him a good deal.[297] Former CIA Director and diplomat William J. Burns met with Epstein three times. According to a CIA spokesperson, Burns hoped that Epstein would help him “transition to the private sector.”[298]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell#Mossad_allegations;_Vanunu_case
The Foreign Office suspected Maxwell of being a secret agent of a foreign government, possibly a double agent or a triple agent, and “a thoroughly bad character and almost certainly financed by Russia”. He had known links to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), to the Soviet KGB, and to the Israeli intelligence service Mossad.[58]
Shortly before Maxwell’s death, Ari Ben-Menashe, a former employee of Israel’s Military Intelligence Directorate, approached a number of news organisations in Britain and the US with the allegation that Maxwell and the Daily Mirror’s foreign editor, Nicholas Davies, were both long-time agents for Mossad. Ben-Menashe also claimed that, in 1986, Maxwell informed the Israeli Embassy in London that Mordechai Vanunu revealed information about Israel’s nuclear capability to The Sunday Times, then to the Daily Mirror. Vanunu was subsequently kidnapped by Mossad and smuggled to Israel, convicted of treason and imprisoned for eighteen years.[59]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell#Death
Murder was ruled out by the judge and, in effect, so was suicide.[65] His son discounted the possibility of suicide, saying, “I think it is highly unlikely that he would have taken his own life, it wasn’t in his makeup or his mentality.”[10] Maxwell was afforded a lavish funeral in Israel, attended by Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, Israeli President Chaim Herzog, at least six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence[67] and many dignitaries and politicians, both government and opposition, and was buried on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem.[68][69] Herzog delivered the eulogy, and the Kaddish was recited by his fellow Holocaust survivor, friend and longtime attorney Samuel Pisar.[70]
Also note how the recent denials from Israel are extremely agressive https://time.com/7302177/epstein-mossad-israel-intelligence-naftali-bennett/:
The Israeli politician on Monday said he had “100% certainty” that Epstein did not have any ties to the Mossad, Israel’s foreign intelligence agency, or the country itself.
“The accusation that Jeffrey Epstein somehow worked for Israel or the Mossad running a blackmail ring is categorically and totally false,” Bennett said in a post on X. “There’s a vicious wave of slander and lies against my country and my people, and we just won’t take it anymore.”
EDIT: Also note that Israel is notorious for harboring fugitive child abusers. Israel is strategically building on child rapists to support them.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish-american-pedophiles-hide-from-justice-in-israel/
If all this is true that are even more reasons such a list does not exist. (anymore)
Or do you really think an agency like the Mossad is that careless?
Epstein seems to have kept photos and videos of his clients to blackmail them. It would be easy to create a list of his “clients” and the government certainly has created such a list, to charge them or at least they should have it or be able to do so easily.
Can I just say, I don’t think that the (plaintext) client list is real.
It’s hard when you simp for 2 essentially similar and evil parties.
Who knows who did what?This isn’t surprising really, especially after the Neil Gaiman thing, but it is disappointing.
??? Oh no what Gaiman thing?
Aww man. I hate being the bearer of bad news. Turns out Neil isn’t quite the feminist he pretended to be. :(
Allegations of sexual assault and rape.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/gaiman-sexual-assault-allegations-1.7431274
Wait. Isn’t the list available online?
“The list” isnt so much a “list” as it is a compiled comprehensive list of all the people epstein video tapped in his comprehensively bugged properties (even the bathrooms were bugged with mics and pinhole cameras) from the hard drives thumb drives and cd’s the fbi found when they cut into the safe at the manhattan town house mansion they raided and who knows what else they found at his other properties. Bondi even said when defending the choice not to release “the list”/ Epstein files that “it is all child 🌽 and it’s disgusting and will never see the light of day” but are we to believe Epstein was downloading random CSAM from the dark web like a pleb? Or more believable is that this is a blatant admission that the DOJ has evidence of politically prominent officials, judges, scj’s executives bankers intell agents etc engaging in career ending acts of child sexual abuse and other actions who knows how awful and disgusting? Probably definitely the latter. And trump is implicated in what they have which is why he is flailing like a wounded animal basically saying Epstein case Material makes him look guilty without outright saying it just by saying its a democrat smear job. Thats how dumb this mother fucker is
I’d like to remind this thread not to jump to conclusions. It’s not exactly unheard of for a notorious coke addict to be confidently wrong about something. I’ll believe he’s a sicko when I see his name on the list and not a second sooner.
I have a suggestion: Just assume every billionaire diddles kids anyway.
nah, his books says otherwise, it had tons of references to pedophelia in it.
That’s like saying everyone who writes a murder mystery is a murderer.
While that’s accurate, there’s also IT.
The book has a completely unnecessary, random pre-teen orgy in a sewer.
Tucker said it out already. They did not leave you to connect the dots; They literally left you with a complete line with only one missing dot to connect. Even the dumbest MAGAts could see through it.
You know, I’m really glad that Tucker seems slightly less batshit insane after leaving Faux, and I hope he continues in that vein. It doesn’t hurt to have a former Trump ball-licker publicly oppose him, but can we please not forget that Sucker is partially to blame for Trump being in office in the first place. He will say whatever he thinks will get him the most ratings, just like he always has.
Let’s not start quoting him as some sort of trustworthy or reliable source.
without fox constantly censoring what he really thinks.
Wow, the replies on some of King’s tweets are really telling…
No chance that chode isn’t a trump supporter.
E: also, I didn’t realize just how many of King’s books involve child abuse… I knew about the obvious ones, but goddamn…
That’s interesting. I read most of his books and I really can’t recall anything in that regard. Between he’s famous for being a horror author although he wrote a few non-fiction books. The human psyche and inner monologues of the character along with descriptions of villains and why they became the monsters they are, are recurring topics in his books. Might it be that this is the reason why they involve child abuse? Remember Dutroix? He was abused as child.
Anyways I can’t really recall any scenes in his books where he delved more into that topic than appropriate.
The “orgy” mentioned is almost certainly the gross group kid sex thing from IT. How do you defeat the evil clown demon, kid orgies apparently :(
Yeah I read “It” of course. But I was 16 or so. I often heard about the orgy but I really can’t recall it. Maybe it was censored in the localized book or I did not perceive it as that bad as people make it. AFAIK it was after they defeated the spider being in the sewers. King still did substance abuse when he wrote It and surrounding this debacle I often see people accusing him of still doing it though he is clean and dry for decades now.
Yes the scene may have been inappropriate but it certainly wasn’t meant to be pedophilia:
“In 2013, Stephen King (through his office manager Marsha DeFillipo) shared on the message board of his official site what the controversial scene in the sewers represents, and begins by explaining that, at the time, he wasn’t thinking of the sexual aspect of it. Instead, he wrote it as the connecting link between childhood and adulthood, as the Losers Club knew they had to be together again, and described it as “another version of the glass tunnel that connects the children’s library and the adult library.” King added that he’s aware that, with time, there has been more sensitivity and attention to issues like the underage sex depicted in IT’s sewer scene.”
https://screenrant.com/stephen-king-it-beverly-sewer-scene-meaning-explained/
What I find way more disgusting is the lynchmob behaviour of people in this thread who never read anything from King and don’t know him in general and them even accusing other users of being pedophiles.
I am well aware of his official explanation, but I personally think that’s bullshit. For the record, I am not in any way calling him a pedophile. His books just have a lot of fucked up shit in them, and this is one of them. I read IT when I was 13 and I kinda glossed over that part as well. When I re-read IT as an adult, I was like “holy shit”. I realize this was written during his coked up days, but that doesn’t make it OK to me. You are free to feel differently.
is that Beta Male insulting Stephen King or actually clueless about having an orgy in a book involving kids? I’ve seen my fair share of stupidity but this might be satire aswell
this is why we always, always need the /s. some people require it…
