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Optional@lemmy.world to Political Memes@lemmy.world · 3 days ago

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  • ProfThadBach@lemmy.world
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    Here are all of the Epstein Files that have either been leaked or released.

    https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706.1320.0-combined.pdf (verified court documents)

    https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-book-unredacted.pdf (verified pre-Bondi) Trump is on page 85, or pdf pg. 80

    Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book. These people would be “The List “ Here is the story.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiKUXrlcac

    Here’s the flight logs https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21165424-epstein-flight-logs-released-in-usa-vs-maxwell/

    —————————other Epstein Information

    https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Calif_Lawsuit.pdf here’s a court doc of Epstein and Trump raping a 13 yr old together.

    Some people think this claim is a hoax. Here is Katies testimony on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo

    Epstein’s Ex Says He Boasted About Being a Mossad Agent https://share.google/jLMGahKlCzfV1RHZq Epstein and Israel both hired lawyer Alan Dershowitz, who says he’s building ‘legal dream team’ to defend Israel in court and on internationally | The Times of Israel https://share.google/Lb9hDOduBWG4Elpid

    Epstein Docs: https://ia600705.us.archive.org/21/items/epsteindocs/

    Epstein Bribes/Payments: 1 BILLION+ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7IrEi-ybzs

    —————————other Trump information:

    Here’s trump admitting to peeping on 14-15 year old girls at around 1:40 on the Howard Stern Radio Show: https://youtu.be/iFaQL_kv_QY

    Trump’s promise to his daughter: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-dating-promise_n_57ee98cbe4b024a52d2ead02 “I have a deal with her. She’s 17 and doing great ― Ivanka. She made me promise, swear to her that I would never date a girl younger than her,” Trump said. “So as she grows older, the field is getting very limited.”

    Trump’s modeling agency was probably part of Jeffreys pipeline: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration/

    A good summary of Trump-Epstein timeline: https://thepresidential.medium.com/we-have-been-gaslit-about-donald-trump-and-jeffrey-epstein-for-four-years-fbda67c20f75

    • ⁠Much of this info can also be found on: https://theepsteindocs.com/

    Feel free to do your part and spread this info around so it is never “lost”.

  • Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca
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    What if…Trump says he isn’t a pedophile because being with any of these girls would make him a hebephile. While there are people who go after young pre-pubescent children, pedophiles, men like Trump, like them pubescent. Yes, everyone likes to use the word pedo because then they don’t have to remember which word means what, but that is also the kind of loophole that Trump and his ilk use to claim their innocence. They aren’t pedos. They are Hebes. Semantics but that’s what criminals like to use to hide their illegal activity.

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      Is that relevant to something?

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    Allegations of sexual crimes should always be taken seriously and addressed immediately, however, that’s not the same as taking the words of the victims words as the truth. A due process has to be mandatory and proof must remain a non negotiable requirement to arrest and punish someone. That’s the one and only way justice can be served.

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      That is a different topic. Conviction is not belief. Don’t be sneaky, please.

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    I mean, if anyone without Trump’s money and influence had this many accusations leveled against them, you can be pretty sure they’d be behind bars by now. It’s not that the women aren’t being trusted, it’s that the entire fucking system is broken. Or more accurately, is designed to serve the rich and powerful.

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    You can’t just convict someone on vibes

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      It’s not called “vibes”, it’s called “witness testimony” and every country on earth totally does convict people based on that

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      No you can’t. You can however refuse to give them a job because they keep making inappropriate remarks about women and multiple women have accused them of sexual abuse, rape and harassment.

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        EXACTLY. You don’t need to “trust”, you can look at the comments that were consistently made in regards to women, the vile behavior he engaged in, the known relationships, and the week court cases, i.e the evidence that was there in plain sight but people chose to ignore

    • Optional@lemmy.worldOP
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      Fortunately pretty much everyone agrees

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    We all know. The rest is theatre.

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      This!

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    Went wrong so many time in the past.

    The list is the way

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    We believe them, we just need to prove it.

    People believe in magic sky daddy, im still waiting for proof there too. To be clear, if proof appears im obeying sky daddy so hard.

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    Why can’t we just rely on common sense instead of jumping to massive generalizations regarding someones gender?

    Trump has been covered in red flags regarding his treatment of women for years. E. Jean Carroll? Stormy Daniels? Katie Johnson? The Hollywood Access Tape?

    I’m a little anxious that if Me Too blows up again it may have the opposite effect intended, and instead deflect attention away from Trump as people argue over the movement itself.

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      I’ve heard some people call this the ‘him too’ movement. It’s supposed to encapsulate the idea that right now we’re seeing white men pushback against the ‘Me Too’, BLM, and ‘Trans rights are human rights’ movements.

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        Yep more for us doesn’t mean less for them. It’s not a pie!

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    Trust but verify.

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    I am all for seeing trump and anyone else in that list behind bars, but this kind of bullshit thinking goes nowhere.

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      I dont think it’s going to be a “list” like a nice spreadsheet itemising various white guys liaisons with under-age women including names, dates of birth, and witness details.

      Whatever is released, if anything, is going to be ambiguous and you’re going to need to weigh the information and its source.

      This meme is challenging people who would generally line up behind the conservatives to consider other sources of information.

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      At least 26 separate women have accused Trump of SA over the course of the last 50 years, many of them before he entered politics. One of them even got a civil court to find as fact that he committed rape.

      Just how many witnesses do you need here? Would another 26 be enough? How about a thousand?

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      how is it bullshit please explain…

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        I’d assume it the bulshit is based on a different interpretation of the word “believe”. Some people mean “don’t need proof”, which is bulshit. Some people mean " investigate as if you thought it were true", which is not bulshit.

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    It’s not just about trump tho and it’s about concrete evidence. The list is yk about getting a list of all the perpetrators.

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      First hand witness testimony is evidence though.

      And fwiw we’ve already got it. Not to mention he’s already been found guilty of rape in a court of law if we want to go through the whole “sexual assault means rape and the judge said so” thing. “He’s a rapist” is a statement of fact, even if the cowards at ABC News don’t want to say so again.

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    Nobody who matters (Trumps fanbase, Trumps voters, Trumps politicans and Trumps supreme court) care whether he’s guilty or convicted.

    But the Epstein list is something very central to the Trump campagin narrative and thus if he’s on there, that could cause major issues between Trump and his fanbase/voters.

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    Money and government are in the way. Person to person, who the fuck wouldn’t believe the woman?

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      Well if i have to believe women here, it’s a slippery slope to believing them about my bros!

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        That is an issue. Just believing women is ideal.

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          Okay but i can’t turn kn my bro’s, dude. And i don’t wanna be (known as) a guy who’s into rape.

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            I mean, maybe if we could judge people and try to heal as a community, rather than having some white dude dumb robes do it. Shame, loss of status, violence, restorative justice.

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              That sounds communist! And who will hurt the people i don’t like?

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                Anarchist here. And, I’ll do it. What’d they do?

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                  Point out how much i suck in ways i cant refute, not be my slaves, have a life that’s substantially different from mine.

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