• IninewCrow@lemmy.ca
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    3 days ago

    Yeah … this isn’t Israel’s fault entirely.

    We’re all complicit in this genocide.

    They’ll be writing about this event in 50 years and asking why in the fuck the rest of the world just stood by and let a maniacal country just get away with all this. Not just allow them to do it but also fund, support and arm them to do all this.

    Isreal is representative of just how depraved our world has become.

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      2 days ago

      I remember learning about the Rwandan genocide in high school. We learned how the world was well aware of what was going on, but every nation and the UN refused to use the word “genocide” because that meant they had a legal obligation to do something. I remember wondering how on Earth all of the developed nations of the world witnessed this and did nothing; how was there not more outcry?

      And now here we are, living through a very similar scenario. History repeats itself yet again.

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      2 days ago

      The primary enabler of Israeli crimes is the American public. Not every single person of course, from my time living in the UD, both the local far right and centre right are complicit.

      Realisticly, the best way forward would be to end the recognition of the Israel colonialist regime, ban all economic, logistical and communication links and start catching and prosecuting war criminals.

      But for most countries, this is not possible, since America will annihilate you economically if you take such actions.

      And the responsibility for this lies with the American public. And this includes the centre right.

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      2 days ago

      Agreed. Until we force our governments, who are the only ones who can do something about it, to act, we are just as complicit as those pulling the trigger. That so many refuse to stand up and push back against governments supporting genocide and Holocaust 2.0 is a terrible outlook on our future as humans in general. More voices need to ring out yet here we are. Making sure we get to work every day so our overlords can make more money and hire more slaves like us.

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      3 days ago

      I’m not taking the blame for this one it’s all IDF. A significant proportion of the general population have vocalised their disgust. At this point it’s those pulling the trigger and their bosses who are at fault. No one else wants this apart from the IDF

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        2 days ago

        We voted for pro israeli leaders sorry we still have a certsin degree of responssbility

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          Focusing on the culpability of individual voters is just reputation-washing for Israel.

          It’s like stepping over massive fossil fuel companies to blame someone who put plastic wrap in the trash instead of the recycle bin. This is not how to get people to stay engaged with politics between elections, and actually work together to do something now, which is how individual voters can actually impact the situation. Don’t instill hopelessness by focusing on the blame of those so far from direct culpability.

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            2 days ago

            It’s like stepping over massive fossil fuel companies to blame someone who put plastic wrap in the trash instead of the recycle bin

            It’s like supporting those companies, voting for politicians who support them then deny your responsability for that. We are all responsible to certain degree. I never shifted the blame and i never said we are as bad as thr idf terrorists commiting the war crimes or the governments who are actually selling weapons to israel

            actually work together to do something now

            That’s why i keep promoting bds

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              It’s like supporting those companies, voting for politicians who support them then deny your responsability for that.

              It really isn’t, particularly for those of us who have been getting yelled at for doing exactly not that, and being told that not having full-throated support for Harris when we were specifically told that the campaign didn’t need our support and locked out of speaking up. For those who have been told that our lack of support is why Trump got elected and Palestinians are being killed. Collapsing the entirety of electoral politics into “we voted for this” is harmfully reductive. We cannot keep telling ourselves that no matter what we do while working together, since the overall result was this it is our fault. It’s literally ignoring the actions of political opponents to blame ourselves no matter the outcome.

              Placing a blanket blame on voters for this is still just electoralism. Voting should be one political expression of many; reducing everything down to the outcome of an election–even if you’re blaming just those who voted–doesn’t build political movements.

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        Most people (though probably less of a majority than you think) don’t want this, but far too many are willing to indirectly fund it, arm it, defend it and suppress resistance to it through their governments. Like, a lot of this is happening with Westerners’ tax money, and there are things that can be done beyond complain.

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            If you’re actually interested, you can look around here for non-drastic action most people in Western countries can take regarding Palestine. Also, there are various levels of civil disobedience methods that can be used to compel governments, especially local governments (a lot more can be done locally than you might think), to act, and of course striking is always an option. Not that I’m telling you to suddenly become a full-time activist for Palestine; with the current state of the West these are things y’all should be doing anyway, with Palestine action simply another thing to demand from the government and the rich. I mean hell, even getting your workplace or local government to avoid companies complicit in Israel’s genocide and broader apartheid is something.