Summary
Ukrainian officials were advised not to sign a U.S. proposal on accessing rare earth minerals, as it prioritized U.S. interests and lacked security guarantees for Ukraine, according to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
The document, presented by U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bassent during a Kyiv visit, was intended as compensation for U.S. aid.
Speaking at the Munich Security Conference, Zelenskyy stressed any agreement must ensure both financial benefits and security for Ukraine amid ongoing Russian aggression, and Ukraine is preparing a counter proposal.
Trump and the rest of the Putin-bootlickers can go fuck themselves.
May Europe do what the US is apparently no longer willing to, and provide Ukraine the necessary support to defend itself.
And the people complaining that people who want to support Ukraine against an outside invasion are warmongers can go fuck themselves with a cactus.
so edgy
Right, defending allies is sooo edgy.
Spoiler alert: it won’t
They are going to have to. But the western rules based order is as sickly there as it is everywhere else. Inconvenient laws are just ignored these days by European governments too, so it appears to be just a matter of time. (I hope I’m wrong, for what thats worth)
LOL They already lost with all the ‘help’. Remember their great offensive where they got 1 potato field? It’s over. But sure, let’s kidnapp some teens and elderly to die for nothing
Yes, it’s vital for Europe to unite against aggression from russia. That, including invasion of Ukraine, is expanding with attacks on communication cables at sea.
Maybe, symmetrically, Europe should support China’s ambition on Taiwan, so to make people at the “white” House understand common sense.“Supporting Russia’s ally to get back at Russia” doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Right, of course. But if it is only in the discourse … to make pressure … still doesn’t make sense ?
No, it doesn’t make any sense. Chinas claim to Taiwan is as illegitamate as Russia’s claim is to Ukraine.
Yes, of course both are illegitamate … and there’s no way Trump’s negotiators believe their stance on Ukraine is legitimate either. My point is to make those negotiators admit their position is invalid by symmetry.
It’s not difficult to support an enemy of the USA these days thankfully, just lend your support to Canada.
They deserve it, and we need to stand with them against US Imperialist aggression.
Europe should support China’s ambition on Taiwan
lol. wow. I’m speechless. But I think you were snarking, so uh.
i now realize what i wrote was nonsensical since i really don’t want Europe to support China’s ambition on Taiwan, yet, i would like if Europe could do “tit for tat” on USA’s stupid take on Ukraine that is exposing Europe to russia’s military madness.
“tit for tat +” is demonstrably the best strategy to prevent escalation of conflicts and push for peace.
You know two wrongs don’t make a plus
Even if the USA promised total war against Russia until Ukraine is completely free plus 50 years of protection, who would believe a single letter in an agreement with Murica today??
They had to run in the middle of the night from their last base in Afghanistan. They are a joke
Contracts like those always have extensive breach clauses for ass coverage for both sides.
And who is going to enforce a breach?
trump himself re-negotiated nafta and is now renegging on his own deal placing tariffs on Canada and Mexico
My first thought is that payments are staggered and if they don’t arrive the contract ends. Bog standard clause. Wild man trump isn’t going to risk American lives over enriching his mates. Americans wouldn’t tolerate it either.
Having only local workers as part of the contract would also remove any boots on the ground to remove.
Second one that occurred is WTO.
Wild man trump isn’t going to risk American lives over enriching his mates. Americans wouldn’t tolerate it either.
Surely you joke?
No I don’t. What mother is going to happily send their child off to war over a contract?
No sure about the happily part but pretty much every modern conflict has been over stealing resources or political posturing
That last part I fully agree with but very obviously enriching already very rich people at the cost of your child’s life (versus for example keeping oil prices low for the average Joe hidden behind a war of being the good guy aka gulf war 1).
I just don’t see it happening. I can’t see the average US soldier and especially their parents rallying around “they broke our contract!”.
I mean… How many bags of onions are we talking here?
One. Absolute best offer.
Ok, ok. One bag potatoes too.
Ladas only for early sign ups.
So, let me know if I understand what the US is proposing. In exchange for getting Russia to agree to only annex a large chunk of the country (for now), Ukraine must cede a huge percentage of its natural resources to the US as payment. Is that about it?
Yes. Once the
USTrump has a signed agreement for the minerals he signs a treaty for Ukraine giving Russia whatever it wants but let’s theUSTrump keep the mineral rights.
If Trump and Musk had just waited until some of these deals were inked before trying to plunder the US Treasury, they’d be in a much better position. If they’re willing to treat their own people like an ATM, how are any of our allies supposed to take them at their word, or trust that the US is negotiating in good faith? And the notion that foreign aid should be paid for like a utility bill is, I think, a pretty foreign notion to most.
It’s wild to me that the super-wealthy are still so insatiably greedy that they’re tripping over their own feet here.
That’s because you’re thinking of them as people like us instead of sociopaths.
Extreme wealth is a disease.
A recent study shows a link between workaholics and erosion of moral values.
workaholics? hrm.
I know a lot of very rich people (I am very not rich). Most of them dont work very hard at all-- they arent workaholics. A small handfull of them worked to some degree when were younger, but mostly they were lucky in the dotcom boom. When you hit a big break like selling your company, your pot of money just starts making more of itself and you can start strutting around like you earned every cent. They uniformly become awful people as well. Fucking each others wives, making truly awful children, enjoying throwing their weight around while pretending to be humble. Its entirely predictable and an obvious pattern. Human nature I think.
That was another study. In that, they let people play Monopoly but gave one player an obvious advantage. Double money when passing start, that kind of thing. Of course they won, but when asked why they won they would invariable boast how much better they were than the rest and not mention their advantage. The same thing happens with getting lucky in dot com boom or born wealthy and they see it as just being better.
You only offer such a one sided bad faith deal if you are truly an idiot or if the whole point is to make a show of them refusing the deal. Israel does this to Palestinians all the time for makreting purposes, as another example. The problem with trump is that we dont know if he is truly that stupid or if he has a separate malign intent in doing this. My money is on malign intent.
The agreement was performative. It was always meant to “prove” that Ukraine was not interested in peace, and a reason that Trump is the only one who can “negotiate” on Ukraines behalf.
Sounds like the “Fart of the Deal”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npDqU47qZ7s
And zelenski just stood there with a silly grin on his face.
The minerals are for all the money and weapon US had already gave Ukraine. The security guarantees costs extra.
So go fuck out of all of security bases in Europe. Let’s see how much longer you will survive and thrive without allies and generally hated by everyone.
You think the rest of the world should simply succumb to your scummy practices?
Gave
If english is not your first language you might want to check out the definition of that word.
