And why is he “King” Lot in this? I actually can’t tell if this is 7D gigabrain satire or if this comes from some loose recollection of hearing a Bible story 20 years ago.
So in the story where they’re hanging out in the cave, his daughters thought they were the last people on earth and had an “obligation”
If you think this gives Lot a free pass, though, remember earlier, when the strangers (apparently angels,) were hiding in his place and the sodomites came out, he offered his own daughters to get raped instead.
Regardless, this entire affair is something that never happened.
Well, yes, back then, that was seen as a virtue. The idea was that he, as a good host, was willing to bear the cost of ensuring his guest’s well-being.
Keep in mind, this is the same setting where a farher is told to kill his son, and it’s treated as a sacrifice by the father. The patriarch is the only one who fully counts as a person.
Dude disappears into the desert for years with his daughters and comes back with both of them pregnant. I’m not going to lend to much credence to what he says happened.
Dude didn’t exist. Genesis is a collection of myths, not a historical record.
The old testament consists of books that were old legends when they were written down (like Genesis), books that were contemporary fiction (like the story of Iob), books that are poetry (like Song of Solomon) and books that are historical (like the Book of Kings).
Of course, even the historical books need to be taken with a chunk of salt, they have a lot legends, folk tales, miracle stories and other fictional elements mixed into them. But the difference is that the historical books contain real people who for the most part actually existed, while the other types of books in the bible are completely fictional, either expressly (as in the case of Iob) or due to them being legends.
Sadly, there’s a ton of people (both christians and non-christians) who don’t know that and think that everything in the bible was meant as a hard historical record, and then you get stuff like in the OP. (OP went a bit farther, misquoting pretty much everything about the story.)
That’s about as smart as picking up a random book from the library, believing that everything that’s written there is meant as pure fact, and then complaining that a caterpillar doesn’t eat all the different kinds of food that the little caterpillar ate.
The same story says that a bunch of towns people showed up at his door to rape his guests. Lot offered his virgin daughters to be raped instead.
For some reason, Lot and his family were considered the only ones worth saving in that city. But not his wife, because she really wanted to be back there. That’s unforgivable.
It’s infuriating to me that so many modern American Christians interpret the story of Sodom and Gomorrah as a condemnation of homosexuality, when it was actually intended to be a condemnation of living lavishly and hedonistically while refusing hospitality to strangers, bizarre as it may be. They managed to twist a parable that calls you to help immigrants in need into a cautionary tale about gay sex.
I was taught the latter interpretation and only discovered the intended message after reading the bible myself.
LOL, I was gonna say! King James Version for the purists:
32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
And they started two major lines! Good one girls!
Somehow, this bit was left out of my Sunday school instruction. No idea why.
Whoa, wrong way round! The daughters got him drunk on purpose so they could rape him and have his kids.
And why is he “King” Lot in this? I actually can’t tell if this is 7D gigabrain satire or if this comes from some loose recollection of hearing a Bible story 20 years ago.
So in the story where they’re hanging out in the cave, his daughters thought they were the last people on earth and had an “obligation”
If you think this gives Lot a free pass, though, remember earlier, when the strangers (apparently angels,) were hiding in his place and the sodomites came out, he offered his own daughters to get raped instead.
Regardless, this entire affair is something that never happened.
I do know the story. Did you mean for this to be a top-level comment?
The part with the crowd is meant to depict him as dedicated to hospitality, as was the duty of a host.
and he bribed the crowd to go away by offering up his daughters for a massive train.
Think they consented to that? Like, Okay. he’s a good host. He chose to be a good host at the cost of protecting his own daughters.
Well, yes, back then, that was seen as a virtue. The idea was that he, as a good host, was willing to bear the cost of ensuring his guest’s well-being.
Keep in mind, this is the same setting where a farher is told to kill his son, and it’s treated as a sacrifice by the father. The patriarch is the only one who fully counts as a person.
That’s his story.
Dude disappears into the desert for years with his daughters and comes back with both of them pregnant. I’m not going to lend to much credence to what he says happened.
Dude didn’t exist. Genesis is a collection of myths, not a historical record.
The old testament consists of books that were old legends when they were written down (like Genesis), books that were contemporary fiction (like the story of Iob), books that are poetry (like Song of Solomon) and books that are historical (like the Book of Kings).
Of course, even the historical books need to be taken with a chunk of salt, they have a lot legends, folk tales, miracle stories and other fictional elements mixed into them. But the difference is that the historical books contain real people who for the most part actually existed, while the other types of books in the bible are completely fictional, either expressly (as in the case of Iob) or due to them being legends.
Sadly, there’s a ton of people (both christians and non-christians) who don’t know that and think that everything in the bible was meant as a hard historical record, and then you get stuff like in the OP. (OP went a bit farther, misquoting pretty much everything about the story.)
That’s about as smart as picking up a random book from the library, believing that everything that’s written there is meant as pure fact, and then complaining that a caterpillar doesn’t eat all the different kinds of food that the little caterpillar ate.
The same story says that a bunch of towns people showed up at his door to rape his guests. Lot offered his virgin daughters to be raped instead.
For some reason, Lot and his family were considered the only ones worth saving in that city. But not his wife, because she really wanted to be back there. That’s unforgivable.
It’s infuriating to me that so many modern American Christians interpret the story of Sodom and Gomorrah as a condemnation of homosexuality, when it was actually intended to be a condemnation of living lavishly and hedonistically while refusing hospitality to strangers, bizarre as it may be. They managed to twist a parable that calls you to help immigrants in need into a cautionary tale about gay sex.
I was taught the latter interpretation and only discovered the intended message after reading the bible myself.
Only because Abraham pleaded with God to save them
He couldn’t have lied, that’s a sin
LOL, I was gonna say! King James Version for the purists:
32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
And they started two major lines! Good one girls!
Somehow, this bit was left out of my Sunday school instruction. No idea why.
Yeah, sounds more like they raped the dad. Also as another comment pointed out, I don’t recall him being king either.