• supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
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    Yeah remember how Rudy Giuliani got lionized by 9/11 and was able to act like an idiot creep and not actually help constituents for years.

    Can we NOT do this to Gavin Newsom he is hypocritical trash and he doesn’t give a shit about the kind of core values you and I value as progressives?

    Trump needs a villain who is even less ideologically consistent than himself, who liberals/centrists will flock to leaving progressives isolated because they see right through Gavin Newsom and know his politics are at best an accidental dead end.

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      Progressives alone cannot win an election. The nature of democracy is that you need to get most people behind you, that includes the ones you don’t like all that much.

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          Yes that’s how democracy works.

          Read the federalist papers, the founding fathers knew this would happen which is why the didn’t want everyone to vote. This utopia in which there is universal suffrage and people actually vote conscientiously will never exist, because most people are not interested in devoting a lot of time to thinking about anything, much less about their vote. Fucking Plato knew this already like what, 3000 years ago?

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            It’s funny that you state “Yes that’s how democracy works” only to go on to explain that democracy not only doesn’t work, but can’t.

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                We can still change the Democratic party, but that involves - well, getting involved with the Democratic party.

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              It works, it’s just not perfect because no system is. Monarchy or benevolent dictatorships are arguably the most perfect system on paper, at the very least they have the capacity to be the most efficient and bring about it the best results, but it all hinges on one man not becoming alienated from his subjects, which is almost impossible.

              But yes that’s how democracy works, the majority are allowed to make bad decisions if they all agree that this is the way they want to go. Democracy doesn’t necessarily mean “everyone gets to vote “, for most of history it has been “this handful of people are allowed to vote”. Back then it was usually white rich men, today I would argue we need to return to a limited democracy but based on merit. Ie “you must be this smart to vote”. Of course the argument is that this can be manipulated to create systemic issues that purposely exclude certain groups based on things other than merit or intelligence so we return to square 1.