It’s an executive order, it doesn’t have that power.
Yet states and other agencies will “make it happen” as if it does.
Can’t win without cheating or rigging. Sounds right for the Party of Pedos.
Electioneering is a power reserved to the states. So, this order is ignorable.
So are dozens of others, that didn’t stop them from being enforced and acted up on.
Unlike the laws that our constitution outlines, which are not enforced or observed.
You sweet summer child, that means nothing these days. Trump will have his way because no one will do anything about it.
Yep any state that refuses to follow this order will just have its ballots invalidated. Funny it will be mostly in blue states that this happens in.
what is your definition of “mostly”?
Next elections are state elections, there’s nothing the Feds can invalidate.
Trump will ban mail ballots. Then change voting laws to allow the fed to make the rules. It will pass. No one will stop it. Then the fed decides everything. Red “waves” etc.
They’d have to amend the Constitution to take elections away from the states and that’s too high a bar. 2/3rds of the House, 2/3rds of the Senate, and 38 states.
Yeah. Not a high bar. You’ve got too much faith.
Well, think of it like this, in order to pass the final hurdle, they would need all 31 of the states that voted for Trump in 2024 + 7 of the 19 states that voted for Harris.
All elections are administered by the states. So the order would probably be something like blocking the USPS from delivering ballots.
Well I guess that would be war then
How much would it cost realistically for us to go back to paper only, each district or country or however you wanna chop it up is allotted x amount of dollars and y amount of time, and we count this shit one by one on public TV so that if you want to see your own ballot actually be counted and confirmed, you can because they’d be serialized and you could guestimate. People will have backups for calling horseshit, etc. it cannot not be worth it.
I don’t give a single fuck about same day results, this is democracy and people’s lives for the next decade plus.
I know for a fact it wouldn’t cost a single percentage of what this administration alone has cost us.
Overseas voters exist. We still have to file taxes every year, can’t invest in a lot of things in retirement plans (look up PFICs), and generally are fucked by the IRS by laws presumably meant to keep the rich from hiding money. There is no way I could pay the thousands of dollars to fly to the states and back to vote in “my state” (in which I haven’t lived in 10 years, but the US system is a trainwreck).
You can go renounce at embassy. Wtf gqve you not become citizen where you are? How fucking hard do they make this shit?
When my parents die, I will renounce. I need to be able to get to them without issue in the event of emergency.
I hold two citizenships but live in a third country. If I were to get citizenship here (Japan) I would be forced to renounce both my existing citizenships.
I would not be a Japanrse citizen. They work to hard and end up killing themselves frequestly. Americans are even better off than the Japanese. I mean, until citizens start going to concentration camps…
I’ve been in Japan a decade and you couldn’t pay me enough to live in the US. I have great work-life balance at my main job which is fully remote.
For sure. I’m not sure if you’re commenting on the wrong comment or not, I’m all for absentee/mail in ballots and I don’t think anything in my commend suggests otherwise.
I took “for us to go back to paper voting” to include somehow requiring overseas voters and did indeed wonder at the cost of it
How do oversees voters vote? I always just thought it’d be through the mail
So the exact process seems to vary by state, but it generally boils down to:
- some for of verification and registration for the year (my state requires this yearly and you are expected to initiate this as it does not happen automatically)
- get an email or physical mail ballot (not all states allow email from what I gather)
- fill out the ballot, various other forms, and send them to the state via physical mail
It’s by mail.
“Remember, the States are merely an ‘agent’ for the Federal Government in counting and tabulating the votes. They must do what the Federal Government, as represented by the President of the United States, tells them, FOR THE GOOD OF OUR COUNTRY, to do,” Trump wrote.
Just gonna leave that right there.
Holy shit he really does think he is a king. This is terrifying.
The constitution explicitly gives this power to the states. Even if it didn’t it would be up to congress.
Holy fuck. He needs to be 25th amendmented and drug out of the White House.
We don’t need the 25th Amendment. He is in blatant defiance of the Constitution he swore to protect. It is yet another instance of a thing that anyone else would be impeached over.
He said “United States” but doesn’t recognize what that means. I wonder how much more things can get undermined before people really get pissed enough to sacrifice everything and stop the fall. How do you herd so many felines in the same direction?
Well that’s fucking horrifying.
Blatantly unconstitutional. The voting is directly controlled by the state constitutions, not the fed. Even congress would need to amend the constitution to do this, but we’ll see how the bench legislators in SCOTUS rule.
Congress could probably do it, but it would have to be functional to do so. Which it very much is not.
Republicans seems to interpret the constitution like christians interpret the bible
Aka. they don’t even read it.
The Constitution no longer matters when all branches of power fail to uphold it and instead collude with the Orange King.
SCOTUS already crossed that line with Trump v. Anderson.
Not really the same, that ruling was for the Fourteenth Amendment disqualification because Trump engaged in insurrection against the United States, that states can’t individually determine if someone engaged in insurrection.
Article 1 of the constitution outlines clearly that states manage the time, place and manner of elections:
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.
States determine ballot eligibility for their ballots. 14A S3 clearly addresses ballot eligibility in relation to insurrection. When I say that SCOTUS “crossed that line”, I meant that in the sense of “they were wrong, I wonder why”.
When are they ending voting altogether?
Season 2 after the season 1 cliffhanger: who actually owns Alaska?
Probably never. It will be like in Russia: your vote doesn’t matter, but elections still take place as a way for the Great Leader to assert his power and dominance over the masses. Elections then become a lie that everyone knows but no one can publicly say, a form of exhibitionism in honor of the King’s power to control the narrative, to distort reality. The new American elections will become a gruesome banquet mocking democracy where every guest already knows the results.
No, this is one we should be concerned about. Eliminate mail-in voting, and democrats won’t win another election again. The vast majority of people vote by mail.
He can’t eliminate mail-in voting by executive order.
And before you say ‘he doesn’t care about the law he’ll do it anyway,’ no state that isn’t already fallen to the crazy will acknowledge such an order.
This is an obvious distraction. One you are falling for.
as if it even matters at this point
he actuy said those words at the last zelensky meeting
Release the Trump/Epstein files
Gonna have to draft a constitutional amendment dumass
He’ll just shut down USPS for the 6 weeks leading up to the next election.
Oregon has been entirely state-wide mail-in voting for decades. Good luck shutting down an entire state’s mail for more than a month.
I mean, it already worked didn’t it?
First term the USPS was taken from a trusted, consistent, and reliable way to move mail. I to something that a considerable number of people no longer trust BECAUSE it was sabotaged.
All he has to do is continue sabotaging our institutions, then they will no longer be effective, and can be cut down with public approval. Since voters have the memories of gnats.
It doesn’t need to shut down, it just needs to be made ineffective, gutted, and sold to UPS & FedEx for pennies on the dollar. So private corps can benefit from our public investments, to our detriment.
WTAF. Assuming we even still have voting, I’m going to be so pissed if this dementia-addled diaper-filling piece of shit means voting in Colorado has to be in-person.
Fuck this guy.
if i had thought there were any actual chance we were going to have legitimate elections in the future i might care a little more.
Among other serious problems, this would disenfranchise all military service members stationed or deployed outside their home state. The Democrats really should be making a big deal out of that.
“Oh but it’s not going to effect them at all because you see, they’re using absentee ballots which are a totally different and completely secure thing.”
Actual talking point I’ve seen floating around already.
Okay! Then let’s just switch everyone over to those! Can’t wait to hear how that’s impossible for reasons.
Also those of us not in the military but living fulltime outside the US :/
if i were one of those people living abroad i’d probably just renounce my citizenship at this point.
Hahaha no. This will not include them.
Executive. Orders. Are. Not. Laws.
They are now.
They are not. Only Trump and his sycophants think so.
They kind of are when the courts are captured.
