I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?
And In The next panel a Nazi is stabbing the marginalized person and the dem is saying you voted for this.
You guys always tell half the joke.
They didn’t vote for it though. They just didn’t vote to stop it.
It’s good to leave it open to interpretation, to keep people guessing.
The democrats tried everything except for actually grappling with the subject. Now blaming the voters completely misses the point … that the dems where supporting Israel and clearly stated they would continue the current path. Trump had the decency to lie to the constituents. And now they cope by convincing themselves it’s part of his plan. The voters where duped… but the Dems did this… not the voters.
I will never regret choosing to vote third party no matter what happens. I will not regret my vote even if Trump marches me personally into a gas chamber. The sooner you get that through your heads, the better. You will never be able to “scare me straight” by pointing to the Republicans, no matter what they do.
The reason things have gotten as bad as they are, to where we have to choose between genocide and genocide-lite, is because of a complete unwillingness to have a spine and draw a red line, out of fear of letting the other side win. We have sacrificed every single standard and principle in the name of that fear. This “common sense” strategy of unconditional support of the lesser evil is actually completely insane, and easily falls apart under scrutiny.
However, if you cannot be persuaded that we are correct, then it is better that you see us as stubborn and irrational. Because a stubborn and irrational person will only be persuaded by giving them what they want, and not by words or anything else. If you want to make sure the Democrats actually win next time, the best strategy is to pressure them into conceding to our demands. Which, if you think about that for 5 seconds, it makes our approach seem a lot less stupid and irrational, but what do I know, I’m stupid and irrational.
It must be easy to stand from on high in judgement of others when you aren’t the one that stood to lose anything, because It’s the ones that have nothing to lose that always go all-in at the table.
Your lack of regret clearly illustrates that your decision was influenced by a colossal amount of entitlement.
The vote wasn’t between genocide and genocide lite. It was between genocide lite and genocide, plus additional genocides, some domestic, plus economic sabotage, plus the emergence of a new evangelical southern Baptist military regime.
I don’t think that narrowing the scope of the voting gap to just you is helpful, so I don’t want to use this as a moment to level scorn. I just want to be very clear that the premise you presented is wrong. Very wrong
The genocide(and poor national level performance) was the last straw for many people who have been lifelong democrat voters. After 30+ years of seeing dems bring ferocity and strategy and boldness to primaries only to sit in office, renege and fail on many of those promises even in times when they have a
supermajoritymajority. Then to see only a few dems actually screaming on the floors of congress. As well biden refusing to use the bully pulpit.I don’t believe any of them wanted this outcome. I do believe they felt their vote was only going to promote a regime that would continue the trend of genocide and protecting wall street over the needs of desparate citizens. Billions to kill and profit then pennies to the people.
I believe the fault lies entirely on the DNC and not the voters who saw no benefit in promoting the party over the other.
It’s wrong, a dem in power is worlds better, but i understand seeing it as pointless in the moment. There is no good answer, only a less wrong one…
To answer the question, pass useful legislation and don’t promote genocide. Legislation like universal healthcare, constitutional abortion(and other women’s healthcare), raising minimum wage, universal pre-k, Union support, decriminalize drugs(esp. Weed), and to reverse inflation to name only just a tiny few…
TLDR: 30yrs of “lesser of two evils” kills voter motivation. Blame the party not the people.
Edit: technically not a supermajority…
Bro, the Democratic party has not had a supermajority since 1979 - which by the way they did quite a lot with, including the last amendment to the constitution.
You’re mad at a reality that doesn’t exist.
We can now say that anyone who could and didn’t vote for Harris in magastan is a genocide enabler.
Like most people… I live in a state where my “vote” literally doesn’t matter at all.
It’s hilarious how “adults” assume that voting actually matter and that there’s a meaningful difference between the two flavors of the state.
Now that you got you dopamine, feel better?
Great, now it’s time to stop pushing propaganda that makes poor people infight.
I keep seeing this stupid narrative. Nobody is buying it.
You have a problem
Yeah, thanks for that.
Oh, so telling people the truth is now propaganda?
I’m sorry but even if my enemy is trump and his billionaires and not their voters, I don’t have to like those who helped him get there. They put him there, and it’s good if they get some consequences.
That’s not how logic works.
I’ve been saying since the election that anyone who voted for Trump or abstained in protest is complicit in Trump’s regime of terror. Trump and his staff spent months on the campaign trail telling the public exactly what they would do when they took power, showing everyone exactly who they are, and now they’re doing all of it. No one has the luxury of claiming ignorance.
Hey look! The liberals are still blaming the left! What compromises were you doing in order to win the leftists votes btw? Maybe that is the question you should ask yourself.
Or maybe the Gaza detractors should have considered cause and effect. Or listened when Trump outright said what he’d do.
The question is specifically about people who refused to support Harris because of Gaza. Since Trump is so far objectively worse than Harris, seems pretty reasonable to wonder if any of them changed their minds now, even if it is too late.
When will you understand that leftists are tired of voting for the lesser evil? Lesser evil is still evil. You may not be aware of it, but the situation was already disastrous for many people. Now is your turn too because you ignored those people suffering for so long.
Regarding Gaza you’re an idiot. The situation is the same with Biden or Trump. Biden did nothing against Israel, and he would have done nothing more.
Trump is the doom of the USA. The whole world will be destabilised because of it. And all of this is because the Democrats didn’t care to even try to give anything to the left, considering their vote for granted.
The failure is the Democrats one only. The sooner you realize it, the sooner you’ll fix it. Or you’ll side with the fascists like liberals so often do.
Ultimately yes, its the fault of the voters (and non voters) who let their emotions cloud their judgement. Thats true whether you like it or not. Especially if Gaza was your main issue; if you saw both candidates and thought Trump was better for the situation, you need to seriously look inward and consider your reasoning abilities.
That being said, the opposition party does not get off the hook so easily here. The fact that Trump could win despite everything he said is a total and utter failure. Their strategy is bad, and they refuse to acknoledge it because to do so means that they need to upend their internal heirarchy. They have buried their heads in the sand when it comes to accepting the playing field of politics right now, and quite frankly as a party they look incredibly weak.
In other words, to not acknoledge that the election was theirs to lose is also denying reality
I have a (conspiracy) theory that those “genocide Joe” and “killer Kamala” folk are astroturfing for MAGA.
Yup that is a conspiracy theory and super not cool of you.
It’s mostly information warfare from the various social media. There have already been a few analyses showing that pro-Republican anti-Democrat sentiment was algorithmically pushed on tiktok, Facebook, X(obviously), Instagram, YouTube, etc. I do believe a lot of people even here on lemmy were Russian/Chinese just stoking the flames because a divided america is good for them.
All the .ml crap that is suddenly silent was often revealed to be pro-ccp accounts doing exactly that.
Source?
Downvotes aren’t citations, I’m asking for proof of China’s actions. Don’t downvote and ignore the truth like Republicans.
Go read old posts, I’m not here to spoon feed you out of your ignorance.
So that’s a no on giving a source on that claim like Republicans…
Edit: Downvotes aren’t citations.
Why would I save links to ML clowns getting called out or shown to be shills? What an absurd thing to request. Source: Lemmy. Dig deeper on your own, it’s not my job.
There was definitely a large amount of foreign influence pushing that narrative.
This push to demonize the strawman protest voters is an ongoing propaganda campaign to cause poor people to infight.
Strawman?
6.27 Million more people voted for Biden in 2020 than Harris in 2024. That’s not strawmanning, those fuckers stayed home and that is exactly why we are in the current situation.
Cool. Neither party was palatable for a huge amount of people, wonder why.
If I’m offered a plate of tomatoes, which I hate, and a pile of shit as choices to eat, both are not palatable to me. But that doesn’t make them the same.
Yes but if the person handing you the tomatoes had been handing you tomatoes your entire life while promising chocolate cake you’d be a lot less happy about it. Especially if they also said “We’re not going to change anything and if you have a problem with tomatoes you need to take Econ 203 to understand why you’re wrong for being upset.”
Democrats need to get people enthusiastic to vote. Not getting shit on a plate is not enough to get people to vote.
Y’know what this thread has made me realize? All the dumb memes of “the left fighting the left” are bullshit. I can respectfully debate other people on the left with me. I can change their minds about some things, they can change my mind on some things, we can come to compromises. I don’t agree with the communist 100%, but I agree with them at least 70-80%, and would happily work alongside them to accomplish that 70-80%.
You know who loves infighting though? Centrists who have deluded themselves into thinking they are leftists. You can find comment after comment in this thread from right-leaning centrists, gleefully demanding that they were “right all along” and how everything is our fault for just not being as smart as them. There is no political group that loves infighting as much as them, even more than the fascists. They want to spend the next four years trying to find out all the ways they can assign blame to the left, instead of organizing and doing anything.
Liberals thinking they are leftists refusing to realize they are actually conservatives in everything but brandng, but never having the dawn of enlightenment on that they are wrong, not the people who have been using the terms for centuries.
The irony in this statement is palpable.
Oh hey it’s the liberal troll who is smug and hates everyone who doesn’t blindly agree with their favorite leader.
How goes the stalking and alienating your allies?
The irony in this statement is also, palpable. Non-voters that blame ACTUAL voters for trump aren’t allies.
Sure bud. Lemme know whenever we can criticize the people you pay to bootlick.
It’s fucking hilarious how, suddenly- the protest-vote/non-vote ignorati are pleading with everyone to unify- while ignoring the fact that they were the ones that told us all to fuck off when we were trying to rally everyone to stand against the exact thing that that resulted from Their bullshit protesting.
I fucking called it!
I said that they’d all disappear after the election, and then return as victims of their refusal to unify against trump- and that is exact what is happening.
I hope they all enjoy the bed they made. I sincerely hope the cacophony of all the suffering they caused doesn’t keep them awake all night.
So is that a “no you can’t criticize my Dear Leader”?
Yeah, “left-unity” has always been a red flag for me. Most of the time, when someone talks about “left-unity” they are usually either authoritarian leftists who will historically shoot you in the back, or liberals who expect you to always support them but refuse to compromise with people on their left.
Every time. I don’t listen to people who call for a “left unity” as it’s actual tankies wanting to kill anyone who disagrees with the new state, or it’s liberals who want to replace “Bad Thing” with “Slightly Less Bad Thing with maybe a Woman”
Either way, it just replaces the problem with a new one.
They can’t answer since they were bots
have gotten multiple answers. opinion debunked. get real.
Weird how you got downvoted for the simple truth. 🧐
they were all bots /half joke
At some point I think it’s projection, downvoting everyone they disagree with and then blame “tankies” when bad takes get called out
I find it funny how everyone blames everyone except for the Republicans who voted for Trump.
they’re a lost cause. they might learn when their welfare programs and fema aid are cut, but nothing rational that we can say will convert them.
Who isn’t blaming republican voters? Do you think that people calling this shit out are incapable of holding two simultaneous thoughts?
Republicans are a lost cause due to unending brainwashing since Reagan, they are to blame more than anyone, but they can’t be changed or reasoned with. You can’t change them more than you force a fish to breathe air at this point.
The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?
Give them something to vote for. You can write articles of many paragraphs to analyze the course of the election, but in the end it boils down to this: The DNC pissed off too many of their voters and offered nothing in return.
Considering this group you’re pointing out wasn’t big enough to make Harris win maybe Democrats should focus inward on their own failures instead of playing stupid ass finger pointing games with people left of them. Y’all lost despite your stance on genocide, not because of it unfortunately.
Okay I’m getting sick of the whole “the dems failed us” bullshit.
WE failed. WE let this happen. WE had the choice between an obvious dictator or continued democracy.
You can shift the blame all you want but at the end of the day it was an obvious choice. You can come up with any other excuse you want. If you didn’t vote for Harris you are to blame. Period. End of fucking story.
Edit: The dems should’ve been able to run a wet paper bag against Trump and win. The fuck is wrong with people to not see that?
the dems failed us
the dems should have been able to run a wet paper bag and win
sounds like identical statements to me
