this occurred in Aceh which is a gigantic island, but it’s known as the “crazy muslim conservative island”. They’re locally governed and don’t represent Indonesia as a whole.
Arabia hasn’t been closely involved for a long time. Actually, I don’t know if it ever was or the Mughals were an intermediary, off the top of my head. It’s far away from the Middle East.
Religious conservatives gonna religious conservative. If you go back to ancient history sometimes they were fine with homosexuality or even expected some amount of it, but that died out along the way. Because of the European empires, but only because they were more successful than other regions, so I wouldn’t blame Europe either.
The really successful religions and eventually empires just happened to be homophobic, so anyone conservative globally is likely to be homophobic.
It’s actually a pretty LGBT friendly region anyway, it’s legal in most of Indonesia, even, but they border Malaysia where gay stuff gets hard prison time.
Indonesia being in any way LGBT friendly is quite incorrect. No, there is no national law outlawing LGBTQ, however, there is a lot of discrimination, prejudice, hate crimes, etc. Yeah, there are some waria there, in some areas, but in general, it’s not a place you would want to be LGBTQ. Source: Lived there for years, have family there.
To clarify, I meant SE Asia as the region, and I was mentally comparing against Africa or the rest of Asia. It’s not the West, but Thailand and Singapore have legal gay marriage now.
Hmm. Yup, looks like I’m remembering changes to make it possible to authorise gay marriages, and laws passed around the same time against anti-gay hate. Pretty close but not exactly the same.
Yes - much better for the populace to be seeing beatings than… ew …LOVE?!?
WTF? Is the country run by incels?
Genocidal homophobic incel western puppets currently imperializing their neighbors, and were the prototype for America’s anticommunist tactics post-1965.
Right. It’s the West’s fault. Probably converted Christians are secretly in charge there. Certainly no blame due for Arabia.
this occurred in Aceh which is a gigantic island, but it’s known as the “crazy muslim conservative island”. They’re locally governed and don’t represent Indonesia as a whole.
Arabia hasn’t been closely involved for a long time. Actually, I don’t know if it ever was or the Mughals were an intermediary, off the top of my head. It’s far away from the Middle East.
Religious conservatives gonna religious conservative. If you go back to ancient history sometimes they were fine with homosexuality or even expected some amount of it, but that died out along the way. Because of the European empires, but only because they were more successful than other regions, so I wouldn’t blame Europe either.
Yes, it was the US who worked to isolate the democratically elected leftist government, while supplying arms, intelligence, and diplomatic support to the coup who overthrew the leftist government then murdered anyone insufficiently religious, rightwing, and conservative.
If the book on how this incident was a template for future US policy was too much reading, here’s a wikipedia article.
The really successful religions and eventually empires just happened to be homophobic, so anyone conservative globally is likely to be homophobic.
It’s actually a pretty LGBT friendly region anyway, it’s legal in most of Indonesia, even, but they border Malaysia where gay stuff gets hard prison time.
LOL - you are so fucking wrong it’s not even funny.
Do I dare ask about which part?
Indonesia being in any way LGBT friendly is quite incorrect. No, there is no national law outlawing LGBTQ, however, there is a lot of discrimination, prejudice, hate crimes, etc. Yeah, there are some waria there, in some areas, but in general, it’s not a place you would want to be LGBTQ. Source: Lived there for years, have family there.
To clarify, I meant SE Asia as the region, and I was mentally comparing against Africa or the rest of Asia. It’s not the West, but Thailand and Singapore have legal gay marriage now.
I can’t find anything about Singapore gay marriage being legal yet.
Hmm. Yup, looks like I’m remembering changes to make it possible to authorise gay marriages, and laws passed around the same time against anti-gay hate. Pretty close but not exactly the same.
Ah, thanks for the clarification, I agree with you on that point!
Worse, religious fundamentalists.
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The basic shape.