• Reality_Suit@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    I knew trumpler was rigging the election as soon as he started making accusations of the same. With him, every accusation is a confession.

  • LovingHippieCat@lemmy.world
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    All the Harris campaign had to do to make sure this wasn’t a thing was simply ask for a recount. That’s it. They had the money. I understand that it might have looked bad as if she was a sore loser, but a recount in one swing state would have been easy, could have shown any discrepancies, and we would have known that either nothing happened or something happened.

    In 2020 they did recount after recount and always found the same result that Biden won. Not doing recounts is insane.

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      it might have looked bad as if she was a sore loser

      Honestly, not being a sore loser is what ended her political career. She got nothing out of conceding quickly, especially because Biden and Harris both painted a Trump presidency as a cataclysm for democracy.

      If Trump is so bad (spoiler alert: he is), then you can’t just throw in the towel because CBS projects Trump to win Florida. You ultimately become complicit in his victory. And that’s really hard to forgive.

  • the_q@lemmy.zip
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    The real point of Trump saying his election was stolen was to cast doubt. Now even if tampering is true no one is going to believe it, and real evidence will never be found.

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    If Eaton pushed an update to those UPS units, it could have gained root-level access to the host tabulation environment—without ever modifying certified election software.

    🙄

    Stop with the “IF” bullshit. Either get some hard fucking proof, or shut the fuck up.

    The shit happening in New York has more proof than this dumbshit.

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    The moment the article says that a malicious UPS firmware could gain root access in the machine I stopped reading, not that my expectations were higher than a razor blade.

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    “Donald Trump is the legitimately elected President of the United States. Our elections are safe and secure.”

    Or

    “Our elections are so insecure, they were hacked by a man who employs 20 year old script kiddies who still think “Big Balls” is funny, led by a man who stares directly into the sun and tells people to drink bleach.”

    Pick one. Both cannot be true.

    Going down this path is silly and self-destructive. We just went through four years of this “stolen election” bullshit and now we are going to claim the election was stolen the first time the results didn’t go our way? Good luck with that. Good luck even trying to sound credible. Good luck not sounding like whining hypocrites. And good luck getting anyone to believe in our election system again, if the only result is the loser screaming “Stolen election!” for the next four years.

    This is very simple. Look at the number of people who showed up to vote in any given precinct. Now count the number of ballots actually cast. Those numbers should be exactly equal, down to the voter. If those numbers are equal and there are a whole bunch of people who voted blue downballot but either didn’t vote for President at all, voted third party, or voted for Trump, then it is what it is. Why is irrelevant. It’s not a conspiracy. It means Harris didn’t win.

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      So there’s this phenomenon where a person can change their mind because of learning new information.

      For example, a person can reasonably say “Our elections are safe and secure” and then, after learning new information, say “Our elections are so insecure.”

      The last four years don’t undermine the current claims because there was no credible evidence that the election was compromised then. But new information contains evidence that this time the election may have been compromised. This new information can and should encourage people to change their minds about how secure our elections are. Changing your mind in the face of new information isn’t hypocrisy, it’s rational thinking.

      As for your last paragraph, confirming the number of people who voted and the number of ballots recorded does nothing to verify that the ballots were recorded correctly. To do that they need to audit the paper ballots against the computerized count, which is a massive undertaking that will require a lot of time and money. There’s nothing simple about that.

  • Chris@lemmy.world
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    The allegations are massive but I’m only seeing circumstantial evidence sadly. Please tell me I just didn’t read carefully enough.